UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[bobbyowenquiff]

Arsenal were one of the biggest losers of city breaking the old top 4, nearly every year they would qualify for the CL by finishing fourth, but because they always qualified, they would go into pot 1 in the group stages based on UEFA's points system. Because they were in pot 1 they always then qualified for knockout stages (where they then got knocked out!), further boosting their UEFA points and ensuring pot 1 the following year. The CL money have them a huge financial advantage over the rest of the teams outside the top 4 (tv deal wasn't as significant as it is now) enabling them to finish fourth again, so rinse and repeat. Now if Wenger wants to talk about financial doping, well he should have looked a little closer to home.

I have always despised Wenger. For a period he was the highest paid manager in the world. He defended the actions of Arsenal's owners as they fleeced their fans with ticket prices and attacked City as a deflection tactic. He was one of the first to use the phrase financial doping. He also seemed to relish using the Arab oil label which makes me believe his motives may have been driven by more sinister attitudes towards the heritage of our owners. I am not surprised he has now landed a job with one of the world's most corrupt organisations.

 

[domalino]

As I said yesterday, if the PL is planning on a resumption just after the CAS hearing, that's the perfect time to unleash the shit storm.

I'm not sure how you've worked this out.

There's currently about 500 football journalists sitting around desperate for something to write about, and millions of football fans so desperate for football that they'll watch Mainz vs Koln on TV, but you think the perfect time to "unleash the shit storm" is just after all the football comes back?


If you wanted to bury a story, you'd release it the weekend the football came back and the fans and journalists suddenly had a million things to think about for the first time in 3 months.

If you wanted a story to make an impact, you'd release it during the biggest sporting news vacuum in living memory, not just after that vacuum has been filled.

 

[Dirty Harry]

Wasn't Wenger instrumental in trying to cut the Premier League down so Arsenal had less games against "piffle" opposition ?
A move he would never have suggested had Arsenal been one of the clubs at risk, he may have been academically bright, but still a selfish and self-centered voyeuristic coont.

 

[lonestay]

If you have a big enough shitstorm to unleash, then the perfect time to unleash it is just as they think things are going back to normal !

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I'm not sure how you've worked this out.

There's currently about 500 football journalists sitting around desperate for something to write about, and millions of football fans so desperate for football that they'll watch Mainz vs Koln on TV, but you think the perfect time to "unleash the shit storm" is just after all the football comes back?


If you wanted to bury a story, you'd release it the weekend the football came back and the fans and journalists suddenly had a million things to think about for the first time in 3 months.

If you wanted a story to make an impact, you'd release it during the biggest sporting news vacuum in living memory, not just after that vacuum has been filled.

I'd suggest that releasing it while the world's in the middle of the worst crisis since WW2 isn't the best thing to do and that waiting until the football does start, when the media will be focused on it, is entirely the right thing to do. It would completely Twitter the some of Liverpool's already meaningless title win and leave them in turmoil when they should be celebrating.

The original plan would have been to start the shit storm in the lead-up to our game against them while they were close to winning the title.

 

[domalino]

I'd suggest that releasing it while the world's in the middle of the worst crisis since WW2 isn't the best thing to do and that waiting until the football does start, when the media will be focused on it, is entirely the right thing to do. It would completely Twitter the some of Liverpool's already meaningless title win and leave them in turmoil when they should be celebrating.

The original plan would have been to start the shit storm in the lead-up to our game against them while they were close to winning the title.

The world will still be in it's biggest crisis since WW2 in June.

So if you don't want to release the story during that then it won't come out til 2021.

 

[waspish]

I'd suggest that releasing it while the world's in the middle of the worst crisis since WW2 isn't the best thing to do and that waiting until the football does start, when the media will be focused on it, is entirely the right thing to do. It would completely Twitter the some of Liverpool's already meaningless title win and leave them in turmoil when they should be celebrating.

The original plan would have been to start the shit storm in the lead-up to our game against them while they were close to winning the title.

Yep but we know it be a one day headline then die a death while the force of the scouser media praise them.

 

[BAB.DAB]

The world will still be in it's biggest crisis since WW2 in June.

So if you don't want to release the story during that then it won't come out til 2021.

Release the shit storm when football returns , pretty simple to understand

 

[Bodicoteblue]

I have always despised Wenger. For a period he was the highest paid manager in the world. He defended the actions of Arsenal's owners as they fleeced their fans with ticket prices and attacked City as a deflection tactic. He was one of the first to use the phrase financial doping. He also seemed to relish using the Arab oil label which makes me believe his motives may have been driven by more sinister attitudes towards the heritage of our owners. I am not surprised he has now landed a job with one of the world's most corrupt organisations.

Not to mention the financial doping by Danny fiszman who would now be referred to as a ‘sugar daddy’ which turned arse into the title winning side they became.
His money was of course, untainted by any whiff of scandal or corruption, coming as it did from South African diamonds where, as we all know, the miners were treated kindly and generously by their owners.. sorry- I meant employers.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

I'd suggest that releasing it while the world's in the middle of the worst crisis since WW2 isn't the best thing to do and that waiting until the football does start, when the media will be focused on it, is entirely the right thing to do. It would completely Twitter the some of Liverpool's already meaningless title win and leave them in turmoil when they should be celebrating.

The original plan would have been to start the shit storm in the lead-up to our game against them while they were close to winning the title.

I would think that IF we have some major evidence of Liverpool wrongdoing aimed at us then now is the perfect time to get it out there. The PL is desperately trying to get agreement to finish the season and this would be a bombshell thrown into the mix. We are one of a handful of clubs that can afford to sit out an extended time with no football and this would be further leverage.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I would think that IF we have some major evidence of Liverpool wrongdoing aimed at us then now is the perfect time to get it out there. The PL is desperately trying to get agreement to finish the season and this would be a bombshell thrown into the mix. We are one of a handful of clubs that can afford to sit out an extended time with no football and this would be further leverage.

The time to do it is when it hurts them the most. And that time is when they're on the verge of getting the title. Imagine the pictures of the PL trophy being delivered to Anfield at the same time that some of their senior staff are being led out in handcuffs.

 

[IBlue]

The time to do it is when it hurts them the most. And that time is when they're on the verge of getting the title. Imagine the pictures of the PL trophy being delivered to Anfield at the same time that some of their senior staff are being led out in handcuffs.

Is it that big though, too big for the media to ignore ?

 

[axlgod]

The time to do it is when it hurts them the most. And that time is when they're on the verge of getting the title. Imagine the pictures of the PL trophy being delivered to Anfield at the same time that some of their senior staff are being led out in handcuffs.

Wow!
I’d love to know the dirt.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

The time to do it is when it hurts them the most. And that time is when they're on the verge of getting the title. Imagine the pictures of the PL trophy being delivered to Anfield at the same time that some of their senior staff are being led out in handcuffs.

Hopefully there is a genuine chance of this happening.

 

[spiny]

I think the way Wenger used to get excited about Football economics & how they will do it right. He expected to be able to outspend everybody on the back of a new ground with higher attendance in the most expensive part of the country. When the landscape changed, outside investment, higher TV revenue he complained it was cheating not that he’d mis-calculated. It would be like the owner of Blockbuster accusing Netflix of financial doping.

Perfectly put.

Compared to other clubs, Arsenal have been owned by toffs. Well run but with the expectation of privilege and not averse to dirty tricks.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

It seems to have been forgotten in the midsts of time, but it is well worth remembering the Der Spiegel articles and how they were written.

Outside of a few hacked documents, it was primarily padded out over five days with nothing more than spiteful words to denigrate the club and its history, laying it on thick when it came to our lack of success over the last few decades.

It spoke as if we had basically appeared in 2008 and offered plenty of superior moralising.

City were right to cite it as a clear attempt to damage the club's name.

For me, however, the narrative from De Spiegel betrayed quite a lot in terms of an agenda being served on behalf of an outside party.

It had a very German-centric influence that wreaked of Bayern undertones.

My other conclusion, based on the current politics, are all roads pointing towards Qatar, certainly in light of the recent Facebook revelations about negative accounts being set up about City in India?

Both seriously have the motive. We know the hacker by name but he had no input into how it was presented?

De Spiegel are just the mouth piece of Bayern but Pinto is a hacker and Blackmailer, Porto and Ronaldo can vouch for that, someone paid Pinto to hack us and the only way you can find a blackmailing hacker is when he does it to you. quite frankly if that highly suggestive of where the money had come from email was all he found we are a very clean company, as everything else was in the public domain, as for Qatar it is the Yank way to keep Muslims tribal

 

[pudge]

I doubt the club are sitting on rather serious evidence purely in the hope of points scoring against Liverpool.

 

[domalino]

Release the shit storm when football returns , pretty simple to understand

If you don't understand how news cycles work, yeah.

 

[domalino]

De Spiegel are just the mouth piece of Bayern but Pinto is a hacker and Blackmailer, Porto and Ronaldo can vouch for that, someone paid Pinto to hack us and the only way you can find a blackmailing hacker is when he does it to you. quite frankly if that highly suggestive of where the money had come from email was all he found we are a very clean company, as everything else was in the public domain, as for Qatar it is the Yank way to keep Muslims tribal

Sorry, but Der Spiegel or Bayern Munich absolutely hate each other, and der Spiegel were one of the newspapers that got Uli Hoeness put in prison after publishing leaked tax documents.

You can't just say "the paper is German + there's a German club we don't like much = they must be conspiring".

Der Spiegel are just typical German football fundamentalists who think the game should have stayed in the 1950's, and as the figurehead of modern football and external money, they obviously hate us, but they don't like Bayern either as the most commercialised club in Germany - which was also apparent from the way they published football leaks documents accusing Bayern of pushing for a super league.

 

[casserole of nonsense]

Arsenal were one of the biggest losers of city breaking the old top 4, nearly every year they would qualify for the CL by finishing fourth, but because they always qualified, they would go into pot 1 in the group stages based on UEFA's points system. Because they were in pot 1 they always then qualified for knockout stages (where they then got knocked out!), further boosting their UEFA points and ensuring pot 1 the following year. The CL money have them a huge financial advantage over the rest of the teams outside the top 4 (tv deal wasn't as significant as it is now) enabling them to finish fourth again, so rinse and repeat. Now if Wenger wants to talk about financial doping, well he should have looked a little closer to home.

Pulis on Arsenal regularly loosing at Stoke:

"Wenger came one year and complained about the grass being too long. He wrote a letter to the FA. The referees and the linesmen had to come and measure the grass. I also know he talked about banning throw-ins and saying they (Delap versions) shouldn't be allowed".

Wenger is a proper diddums.