UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Chi-town blues]

Caught them on hidden camera

Alway good to see blue beat red .

 

[No One Understands]

AC is made up of more than a single judge, they can only look at the evidence from the IC who rushed through their verdict due to the 5 year time rule. City have stated public that their evidence, 200 page document wasn’t considered. I think you should look at the history of the lead investigator Leterme, he’s dodgy to say the least In the PSG case the AC were aghast at his conduct

Maybe you will or maybe you won’t I hope you do

Regardless of what anyone thinks of the 2014 judgement, the fact that the 5 year timeline was pretty much up, and that the case was reopened at the very last minute is alone shady enough. Let alone having the case reopened due to an international hacking scandal.

Regardless of who you think is behind this: G14, UEFA, teams in red, the PL, geopolitical warfare, or maybe even a disgruntled former employee. It smacks to me of someone behind the scenes pulling the strings of the UEFA muppets for their own purposes. There are way too many coincidents at play here. Someone with complete knowledge of our operations, with a vested interest, and an axe to grind has probably shaped the process thus far.

I could also be wrong and it could just be all of the above individuals.

 

[Dirty Harry]

I keep coming back to it , but the Bosman case demonstrates just how arrogant and downright wrong uefa could be.
I’m sure they approached that case supremely confident that they were going to succeed, supported by the views of various expensive ‘legal experts’ that this was the case, only to be given a rude awakening by a relatively unknown Belgian footballer and his relatively unknown lawyer, who showed that the properly constituted law, not uefa’s notions of ‘what’s best for football according to us’ applies.
In fact , that is what the ECJ pointed out to uefa in no uncertain terms.

Exactly, and as I linked right at the start , the words of a legal expert, that UEFA cannot purport to be running a fair and unbiased process if it is going to act as judge jury and executioner !
They are arrogant and deluded beyond belief.

 

[asahartford1]

Anywhere I can lay a bet that the ban is quashed and we are exonerated by CAS ?

you want to lay that bet, or have a bet on it being quashed.

 

[waspish]

I don’t know. We’ll find out in due course.

As others have said, if we disputed the accuracy of the content of the emails we’d have surely raised that by now.

It seems like we’ll be arguing the interpretation of those emails against our accounting methods as well as the various rules of UEFA regarding previous accounting periods, settlement agreements etc.

The emails were not digital they wee photocopied and were blacked out in parts! that could make them look out of context and manipulated.

 

[BAB.DAB]

Anywhere I can lay a bet that the ban is quashed and we are exonerated by CAS ?

Yes, Fred Don't online bookie's.
I placed a tenner on a treble
City get cleared by CAS
Karen wins the handbag fight
Greggery Peccary exposured as a journalist

 

[gingerprince]

Difficult decision for CAS, lots of people taking up positions on either side of the fence.

I dont think anyone can be truly confident of their outcome being announced in July.....

My preferred outcome would be

CAS to exonerate City on all major charges and x2 year CL ban and associated fines to

be overturned. However, City to be found guilty on some minor technicality resulting in

City being banned from wearing new third kit in any round of next years CL campaign

 

[Woody135]

Playing devils advocate given we will all be over the moon if it is quashed by cas. And if we’re honest we have nothing more than hope and interpretation of the words of our directors on this.
Unless anyone wants to own up now?

If it isn’t overturned and is infact validated by cas, will anyone accept that decision? In the same way we would demand rival fans accept the decision if it was overturned.

 

[waspish]

Playing devils advocate given we will all be over the moon if it is quashed by cas. And if we’re honest we have nothing more than hope and interpretation of the words of our directors on this.
Unless anyone wants to own up now?

If it isn’t overturned and is infact validated by cas, will anyone accept that decision? In the same way we would demand rival fans accept the decision if it was overturned.

No because the club won’t accept it they will take it further.

 

[117 M34]

Well Omar Berrada was quite vehement that we wouldn't be doing any deals with UEFA and that we sent Ceferin away empty handed. Spoke to a couple of my CM colleagues today & both confirmed he said that. Soriano was quite clear in his video interview. And I do know that Khaldoon is 100% sure we'll win this and that's not bravado. These guys' reputations and honour are on the line.

I'm nervous nonetheless but I'm also sure we've got an ace or two up our sleeve.

Presuming this is correct, someone is going to be in a lot of trouble for not taking them up on their offer if we end up getting the 2 year ban

 

[ganganvince]

Playing devils advocate given we will all be over the moon if it is quashed by cas. And if we’re honest we have nothing more than hope and interpretation of the words of our directors on this.
Unless anyone wants to own up now?

If it isn’t overturned and is infact validated by cas, will anyone accept that decision? In the same way we would demand rival fans accept the decision if it was overturned.

Rival fans will never accept the decision if we win, they have already won the perception war.

 

[dickie davies]

Playing devils advocate given we will all be over the moon if it is quashed by cas. And if we’re honest we have nothing more than hope and interpretation of the words of our directors on this.
Unless anyone wants to own up now?

If it isn’t overturned and is infact validated by cas, will anyone accept that decision? In the same way we would demand rival fans accept the decision if it was overturned.

I'd only accept it if we had a full impartial summary of all the evidence submitted

 

[lancs blue]

Rival fans will never accept the decision if we win, they have already won the perception war.

I couldn't give a fuck what Liverpool* and rag fans think. Match-going fans of other clubs that I've spoken to have generally held the opinion that UEFA are as bent as a £3 coin anyway so I doubt that their opinion of City - good or bad - will change that much based on the verdict.

 

[ganganvince]

I couldn't give a fuck what Liverpool* and rag fans think. Match-going fans of other clubs that I've spoken to have generally held the opinion that UEFA are as bent as a £3 coin anyway so I doubt that their opinion of City - good or bad - will change that much based on the verdict.

Unfortunately popular opinion is now enshrined in UEFA qualification.

 

[Gordyola]

The process absolutely seems questionable. I’m sure we’ll question it thoroughly. That’s what CAS seemingly look at, the process of what transpired against the rules that each party signed up to. Leterme is also not without his faults, but he ultimately didn’t sign off on this, even if he was the public narrator.

I’m aware that CAS will now give us three judges as opposed to one. However it seemed overlooked to many that a proper, high standing judge had reviewed our case and decided we we worthy of a two year exemption from the Champions League (plus associated revenue costs) and a €30m fine. Somewhat unprecedented measures. It wasn’t Gill and Parry et al that eventually found us at fault, it was a high standing European judge.

I reiterate, I hope we can deliver a conclusive argument that clears us of all charges and leaves no doubt about our innocence. I’d personally take an exoneration with loads of hanging questions marks right now just to move on! However I think the mere fact we’re in this predicament suggests we’re not as on top things as we think/ hope and there are weaknesses in our position that we need to get leading legal people to fight.

Time will eventually tell what these eventualities look like, but we inevitably have some sticky areas that we need to explain. The fact we decided to talk about aspects of these areas in email correspondence seems pretty poor judgment by those involved, given their professional standing.

I’m sure in all our walks of life we occasionally make poor decisions, but in a very public facing business these could be subject to serious exploitation. We’ve been exploited via hacking to defend a case other parties wanted answering almost since our takeover and were openly pressuring UEFA about investigating. We paid our high ranking people significant sums of remuneration to hopefully avoid such eventualities. Alas, it didn’t workout because we made internal errors of judgement that were leaked, reported and then collated to make us, at this stage, in breach of regulations, even if those regulations are not seemingly very fair from an objective viewpoint.

I think it is though fair to say UEFA will be told some of their processes are poor etc. but will that be enough for them to lose the case?

Time will tell and it depends what we can prove/ have up our sleeve.

Good grief! So many words without saying anything
Read what I said about the process UEFA’s AC is NOT just ONE judge and they ONLY consider what has been presented to them by the IC. The AC maybe “independent” but are paid by UEFA the head of the AC is a human rights advocate he may well have allowed his personal views to influenced him when considering City’s case The whole UEFA FFP process is highly flawed

 

[KS55]

Anywhere I can lay a bet that the ban is quashed and we are exonerated by CAS ?

Redteamsturfaccountants.com

 

[KS55]

You in blue Karen? I'd have thought you'd have chosen a sky blue over navy blue. :-)

Nah. @karen7 is in red.....................she's a scarlet woman, I'll wager.

 

[decmancity]

Presuming this is correct, someone is going to be in a lot of trouble for not taking them up on their offer if we end up getting the 2 year ban

That someone will be Khaldoon himself so I don't think that is a problem, it has already been said that if we lose this then the next option will be to take UEFA to court for FFP itself. No one has previously done this because of what is involved but I don't think that will be a problem, this is a lot more than just City being banned from the CL now.

 

[richards30]

Does wenger work for uefa these days?

 

[Chappie]

Does wenger work for uefa these days?

Only on City related issues