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[Chris in London]

That’s a long question. You should break it down into bite-size chunks.

Plus, you descended into comment.

You’re welcome.

Who taught you this tripe about long questions?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Who taught you this tripe about long questions?

That’s better. And no comment too.

 

[journolud]

That’s better. And no comment too.

I don’t want to fall prey to Bluemoon pedantry and be made to look a fool, much as I enjoy observing it happening to someone else, but doesn’t the assumption of value by the use of the word tripe imply comment? Please be gentle in your reply I’ve just got up in the middle of working nights

 

[Chris in London]

There are many reasons why the Labour government lost in 2010 and then in opposition failed to win in 2015, 2017 and 2019, but you can't get away from the fact that Brown, Miliband and Corbyn stood on very different platforms in those elections and the electorate did not find any of them sufficiently attractive to give them a mandate. So, with different leaders and very different policies Labour still lost, so something else is going on.

If you think Labour doesn’t need to move in policy terms away from the left in order to win the next election, that’s your opinion and it’s one you’re entitled to hold. But I don’t agree, and that’s my opinion.

 

[Chris in London]

That’s better. And no comment too.

I don’t think you could sensibly argue that the question ‘who taught you this tripe’ doesn’t contain at least a smidgeon of comment.

Could you?


EDIT just seen journolud’s comment. Clearly, he understands tripe.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I don’t want to fall prey to Bluemoon pedantry and be made to look a fool, much as I enjoy observing it happening to someone else, but doesn’t the assumption of value by the use of the word tripe imply comment? Please be gentle in your reply I’ve just got up in the middle of working nights

Well spotted! It’s a grey area that certain folk get away with more than others...

 

[The perfect fumble]

If you think Labour doesn’t need to move in policy terms away from the left in order to win the next election, that’s your opinion and it’s one you’re entitled to hold. But I don’t agree, and that’s my opinion.

I don't think that and I didn't say that.

I replied to your original post because it was simplistic and nothing you've subsequently posted has changed my opinion.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I don’t think you could sensibly argue that the question ‘who taught you this tripe’ doesn’t contain at least a smidgeon of comment.

Could you?


EDIT just seen journolud’s comment. Clearly, he understands tripe.

See my response to @journolud

The rules aren’t the same for everyone, as you well know. I was factoring that in to my response :-)

 

[journolud]

Well spotted! It’s a grey area that certain folk get away with more than others...

It’s the sort of ambiguity about rules and guidelines that serves the country well

 

[Chris in London]

I don't think that and I didn't say that.

I replied to your original post because it was simplistic and nothing you've subsequently posted has changed my opinion.

That too is your opinion. My opinion is that it is foolish to disregard policy in assessing why a party does not win elections.

 

[Chris in London]

See my response to @journolud

The rules aren’t the same for everyone, as you well know. I was factoring that in to my response :-)

Sometimes, you just have to follow your instincts and say sod the rules

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Sometimes, you just have to follow your instincts and say sod the rules

I’ll remember those wise words next time I’m in the HC.

 

[west didsblue]

It’s the sort of ambiguity about rules and guidelines that serves the country well

Indeed.
Just had a few lunchtime pints and am going for a quick 60 mile drive to see if I’m sober enough to drive.

 

[The perfect fumble]

That too is your opinion. My opinion is that it is foolish to disregard policy in assessing why a party does not win elections.

And your opinion is apropos to what?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

And your opinion is apropos to what?

About ten grand.

 

[crazyg]

If by this you mean that there are people using the phrase ‘the working class’ in the same sense that Marx used that phrase 150 years ago, I will take your word for it, though I haven’t read any myself. For my part, I take the phrase (and use the phrase myself) simply to refer to the overwhelming proportion of the population that earn average or below average amounts.

You by the way are very definitely working class by your own definition, sorry to tell you, because you need perpetual help from the state yourself. You’ve been helped by the government all your life: from the cradle to the grave, you might say. Our police are paid for by the state. They protect you and keep you safe. You were probably educated at the state’s expense at least part of your childhood. You are probably cared for by the NHS when you are ill. You drive on roads that are maintained by the state. You put the kettle on and you are accessing a power supply put in place by the state. Your rubbish is taken away every week by the state. You have a shit and you flush it away into drains provided by the state. Every day or your life you draw upon resources provided by the state. Perhaps all this makes you feel slightly disgusted with yourself for being a perpetual drain on the government.

Oh, and as for Labour being a middle class metropolitan party, perhaps you should ask Angela Raynor’s constituents in Ashton how middle class they are.

Do you mean to say that Bob Sheldon has retired? He was my MP when I lived in Ashton, before that was Harvey Rhodes.
I must be getting old.

 

[The perfect fumble]

About ten grand.

Cash, no questions asked.

 

[Chris in London]

And your opinion is apropos to what?

Sorry, can’t be arsed with this any more.

 

[Chris in London]

Do you mean to say that Bob Sheldon has retired? He was my MP when I lived in Ashton, before that was Harvey Rhodes.
I must be getting old.

You remember that young stripling Tom Hendry then when he was MP for Stalybridge?

 

[crazyg]

You remember that young stripling Tom Hendry then when he was MP for Stalybridge?

Yes. I moved from Ashton to Stalybridge in 1978, where he was the MP at the time. Very helpful he was too in resolving a query we had in the adoption of our first child.
Don't tell me that he's also retired.