George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[SWP's back]

Or someone can see a Truth not loaded as a FORCED binary choice...

It is in November. Take the higher ground and have 6th form political studies debates after that date.

 

[hgblue]

I've seen plenty of videos mate, including police officers even taking a knee with protesters.

With each passing day that someone burns a police car or smashes up a local business, the message is lost.

Half the shops smashed up in those neighbourhoods are owned by African Americans, that is where plenty are corrupting the protest message.

In what crazy argument do people deface the Lincoln Memorial, surely anybody with a modicum of intelligence would know the historical relevance of his presidency?

I always try to see both sides of an argument, or we never learn anything.

Complete agreement that the system is broken and America is divided along racial lines.

However, it becomes even more divided when those rioters decide to piggyback on a justified protest, simply because it is an opportunity to cause mayhem.

The best way to honour the memory of George Floyd is to steal a flat screen tv and burn down local businesses. The interviews with black business owners who’ve watched their life’s work go up in flames are heart breaking. I’m sure George would be so proud.

 

[Bigga]

Fuck him. He’s a gnat in a hurricane. Any **** that would rather have Trump stay in power over anyone really isn’t worth exerting a great deal of energy on. An empty vessel is often the loudest.

*awaits YT video from two people I’ve never heard of to give me their opinion that he parrots along with being called a clown or something else I’ll forgot within six seconds*

I'm always in your thoughts, eh? Bless.

You're as wantonly deaf and malicious in your false delivery as anyone can be. Nobody wants either fookers in the top seat. It's a false choice created by the establishment and yet you don't understand why CNN got attacked.

ANY thick cnut can see this tinderbox was lit up by incremental changes and you want the US to go back to the place where this started!

You and your neolibs thought it was great Sanders and Progressive policies were turfed. You know, policies for equality, better pay for working class and taxing billionaires enough to move the country into the lane of actually being that great country. Biden doesn't want to go that far.

You actually advocate for treading water and I will tell you lot again, as I told you before that people have had enough, there'll be an economic war, too.

 

[mexico1970]

Some of the rioters are trying to "betray the just cause." They're plants trying to foment more racial violence. Pushing protesters into police, breaking shop windows, wearing 88s and 3% patches and tattoos, setting churches on fire.

Your post hints in the direction of you not having seen evidence of that as well.

He mentions "Rioters" and then specifies that he means the ones robbing and looting. He couldn't have been any clearer.

 

[SWP's back]

Not from what I've seen, no. Murder is an act carried out with the intention to kill someone and I don't think that is the case. It definitely looks like manslaughter as the police were negligent and they were completely responsible for his death.

Negligent? He keeps his knee of the guys neck for over two minutes after his colleague tells him there is no fucking pulse in his wrist. Come the fuck on.

 

[mexico1970]

Negligent? He keeps his knee of the guys neck for over two minutes after his colleague tells him there is no fucking pulse in his wrist. Come the fuck on.

It was murder, straight down the line. That cop had cold blood in his veins when he killed the lad.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I've seen plenty of videos mate, including police officers even taking a knee with protesters.

With each passing day that someone burns a police car or smashes up a local business, the message is lost.

Half the shops smashed up in those neighbourhoods are owned by African Americans, that is where plenty are corrupting the protest message.

In what crazy argument do people deface the Lincoln Memorial, surely anybody with a modicum of intelligence would know the historical relevance of his presidency?

I always try to see both sides of an argument, or we never learn anything.

Complete agreement that the system is broken and America is divided along racial lines.

However, it becomes even more divided when those rioters decide to piggyback on a justified protest, simply because it is an opportunity to cause mayhem.

All the things you've listed are typical of what happens in a riot. Riots are not rational, sometimes they're led, most times they're not, they can be sporadic, unpredictable, die down and flare up again, they are not homogeneous, they are not controllable, they can be exploited, corrupted, they can mutate in to something only tangentially connected to what started them, or not connected at all.

So defacing the Lincoln memorial, looting, burning shops, are all perfectly understandable, all these things are the stuff of riots.

 

[SWP's back]

It was murder, straight down the line. That cop had cold blood in his veins when he killed the lad.

I’m astounded people can watch all 8 minutes 44 seconds of the cop kneeling on his neck and claim it’s anything other than cold blooded murder.

 

[mexico1970]

I’m astounded people can watch all 8 minutes 44 seconds of the cop kneeling on his neck and claim it’s anything other than cold blooded murder.

It gutted me, I'm not a bleeding heart far from it but it was crushing.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

TH, i respect your posts & look forward to your tidbits of transfer info, so don't think this is me screaming at you........

What happens when peaceful protests go unheard? At some point, shit has to get serious. Let me ask you this:
If I came to your house every night for 50 years and smacked the fuck out of your wife & kids, how long would it be before you kicked my ass? I'm guessing not that long. I've lived in England & the US and I can tell you, you have no idea how it is being a minority in the US. It's a lot different here than over there, racially. It's open season on us and we are saying FUCK THAT. Businesses can rebuild, lost lives are lost forever.

Read about Emmett Till and try and stomach those pictures if you can. They are very disturbing. This was a 14 year old boy killed by racist twats who were never punished. This is why we riot. Nothing changed since Emmett in 1955

I don't take it as you screaming mate, rather than trying to inform me.

I have been to the States enough time to see the inequalities, even when it comes to the jobs which are being done by African Americans and Mexicans.

Having grown up through the Moss Side riots also, I know all too well that a riot achieves the square root of zero.

It leaves nothing more behind than further decay and a lack of investment in those communities that already badly need it.

Martin Luther King's own niece was speaking earlier and stating her uncle never would condone such rioting?

I can't even try to understand the frustration of African Americans and I will look up Emmett Till.

 

[Bigga]

With the current President on record for wanting any civilian who opposes fascism classed as a terrorist and wants states to "dominate" protesters and jail them for "long periods of time", can someone please tell me how and why the opposing candidate would even consider being pretty much the same?

Seems logical that the alternative to the current administration is the better chance for change but sure I'm probably just "whitesplaining"

You're absolutely 'whitesplaining'!

Up until the last 4 weeks the Dems were voting in line with the GOP on bailout positioning, on arming the military complex and the police.

You lot forget this.

There was a slither of difference in the actual policies of capitalism.

#45 has gone nuts, so he's fucked himself, but don't drink the Kool Aid on the Dem est position before that.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

He mentions "Rioters" and then specifies that he means the ones robbing and looting. He couldn't have been any clearer.

No.

As for Minnesotta and others, they will find that the businesses they have torched and stolen from are from their own struggling neighbourhoods, already crippled by the lockdown.

I assure you some of the rioters are destroying businesses that are nowhere near the neighborhoods in which they live.

Four sides, not two.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Thoughts with Liverpool players and staff at this difficult time

can’t stand the cunts. But not going to knock this. Will get the extreme right wing all in a hot fuss, that’s fine by me.

 

[Bigga]

Because some jackasses think an all out revolution is required to get the significant change they want, so want things to get as shit as possible in order to get the majority on there side. It's pretty much the idiots in Four Lions suggesting they should blow up a mosque

Yep, all those 'jackasses' out there in the streets of the US trying "to get the significant change they want".

What a quote to show you up!

 

[mexico1970]

No.

As for Minnesotta and others, they will find that the businesses they have torched and stolen from are from their own struggling neighbourhoods, already crippled by the lockdown.

Are you saying that the people to a man are out of towners? If you are I don't believe you. After watching the scum smashing rocks on someones head I say it's gone past protest and into something different.

This isn't an argument with you bud, it's an argument that people protecting their shops shouldn't have murder come to them.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

This whole 'Antifa' blame game is being driven is a political plot being driven by the White House and there's no surprise that it involves 'very fine people' .

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Some of the rioters are trying to "betray the just cause." They're plants trying to foment more racial violence. Pushing protesters into police, breaking shop windows, wearing 88s and 3% patches and tattoos, setting churches on fire.

Your post hints in the direction of you not having seen evidence of that as well.

There are four sides here, not two.

Please elaborate bud? I have based my disgust on those incidents? My only separation is that you have them down as plants?

Who has planted them? Can't they just be wankers spoiling for a fight and on the thieve?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Are you saying that the people to a man are out of towners? If you are I don't believe you. After watching the scum smashing rocks on someones head I say it's gone past protest and into something different.

This isn't an argument with you bud, it's an argument that people protecting their shops shouldn't have murder come to them.

I'm clearly saying SOME of them are. Because some of them ARE.

The rest of your post is spot on -- no argument.

 

[Bigga]

TH, i respect your posts & look forward to your tidbits of transfer info, so don't think this is me screaming at you........

What happens when peaceful protests go unheard? At some point, shit has to get serious. Let me ask you this:
If I came to your house every night for 50 years and smacked the fuck out of your wife & kids, how long would it be before you kicked my ass? I'm guessing not that long. I've lived in England & the US and I can tell you, you have no idea how it is being a minority in the US. It's a lot different here than over there, racially. It's open season on us and we are saying FUCK THAT. Businesses can rebuild, lost lives are lost forever.

Read about Emmett Till and try and stomach those pictures if you can. They are very disturbing. This was a 14 year old boy killed by racist twats who were never punished. This is why we riot. Nothing changed since Emmett in 1955

Preach, Brother.

Not directed at TH, but the neolibs don't understand about change and the 'wait your turn' message. The Dems are as culpable as the GOP in what's happening, but the neolibs tiptoe around this fact!

 

[mexico1970]

This whole 'Antifa' blame game is being driven is a political plot being driven by the White House and there's no surprise that it involves 'very fine people' .

One extreme group infiltrating another extreme group, I'd never believe it bud.