COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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inbetween said:
Whichever figure you look at (deaths, total infections etc), every single EU and Western country has been disproportionally affected globally.

Thailand for example has a population of 70 million and an average age that makes it similar to here. Bangkok is one of the most populous cities in Asia, very similar to London yet Thailand as a whole has only seen 3000 cases with 57 deaths....

They imposed their full lockdown in April, 2 weeks after we did, yet the virus was first detected in Thailand in January, just like here.......

So why does the virus not spread like wildfire in Bangkok and Thailand but it does in London and elsewhere in the UK?
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I find it interesting how people are dealing with the relaxation of the rules. Personally the only real change i have made is that i have played Golf and finally visited my Grandkids yesterday. i am quite enjoying spending time at home, pottering around the garden and walking the dog.

I am appreciating the simpler things in life.
 
twosips said:
Yeah I rarely see them in Manchester city centre being worn by anyone other than international students. I always feel like the odd one out when I put one on to go to the shop. Vast majority aren't covering their faces at all. I'd be surprised if 1% of the country are.
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Yep.

That's what happens when a government gives out wrong advice and confusing advice.

Had they said consistently from the outset "if you must go out you MUST cover your face or tens of thousands of people will die", then we'd all be wearing them.

Have people on here noticed the stark correlation between death rates and face mask wearing? All the far east countries have ubiquitous face mask wearing and very low death rates, like in the hundreds. European countries didn't bother or bothered too late and we're into tens of thousands.

You do not need bleeding edge rocket science to understand that if you are on a bus or in a shop or restaurant or on the train and someone next to you coughs, you are less likely to get infected by them if they are coughing into a face mask.

This single balls up (in the catalog of balls ups) by the government has IMO caused thousands of extra and completely unnecessary deaths.
 
BlueAnorak said:
WHO have compared social distancing regimes and
The average chance of getting Covid-19 at 2m is 1.3% and at 1 metre is 2.6% and at half a metre 13%.
Another study found wearing glasses, goggles and face visors reduce your chances of catching the disease by 10%.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ves-chances-catching-coronavirus-first-major/
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It's published in the Lancet here.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
Facemasks and distance both have important effects. The effect is likely to hold in both health care and community settings.
 
Chippy_boy said:
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In Spain, even with face masks, when a new stage is entered into the r value rises. In fact Andalucia now in stage 2 had a higher r value than Madrid who have only just got to stage 1.
The use of face masks protects others mostly so we know who to avoid but more relaxation gives known and unknown idiots more freedom to become infected as well as infect.
 
SilverFox2 said:
In Spain, even with face masks, when a new stage is entered into the r value rises. In fact Andalucia now in stage 2 had a higher r value than Madrid who have only just got to stage 1.
The use of face masks protects others mostly so we know who to avoid but more relaxation gives known and unknown idiots more freedom to become infected as well as infect.
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The Lancet analysis suggests it protects the wearer as well.
 
Cityfan said:
The Lancet analysis suggests it protects the wearer as well.
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Yes.

A cheap N95 mask for the sort you can buy from Screwfix for £2, does not have a sufficiently fine filter to remove 95% of the airborne virus, but it will remove between 50% and 80% of it, which is better than nothing. And 100% of someone else's spittle, which is probably the main means of transmission.

Not to mention, stopping 100% of the crap you are coughing out from infecting someone else.
 
Mayor West said:
Hearing the death figures for the 'last 24 hours', it beggars belief people think it's too soon to lift restrictions. Its dieing out, and fast.
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It is NOT dieing out, we have been controlling it.

easing down restrictions will cause an uptick in infections.
 
Cityfan said:
The Lancet analysis suggests it protects the wearer as well.
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I have been wearing a mask for a number of weeks now but I would estimate it's 1 in 15 around where I live / shop. How many on here have taken to wearing a mask / face covering when going to the shops? I would assume it's plenty as so many have been saying for weeks we should be wearing them and they would surely follow their own words of advice
 
Excess deaths as of week 21 ( ending 22nd May ) Total excess since 20th March = 56,380

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Chippy_boy said:
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Not face masks but care homes. The other countries mentioned value their elderly population and we treat ours like shit. Median age of all these ‘covid deaths’ is 84, which is older than the life expectancy of anyone ever born in this country. Now, imagine that someone has made up a ‘likely death number’ and the government have panicked and, consequently, instead of getting PPE into care homes and stopping infections in those care homes, we just sent a load of old, co-morbid and infected patients, back into a confined space, in the name of ‘protecting the NHS’.

Not only that, but we then promised up to £2.5k a month for people to not work, whilst we stood by and watched the people working in those infection pits (and those taking people to work in those homes and hospitals) get by on minimum wage, with £90 pw if they were ill. Surprisingly enough, lots of them went to work whilst they were ill. And then, as if to compound that, let’s send those ill members of care home staff to work in up to 5 different care homes a fortnight. If you’d actually wanted to get rid of large numbers of elderly people, you couldn’t have actually come up with a better plan.
 
The hundreds of thousands out protesting in the streets all together in America - will this mean there will be a catastrophic second wave of Covid ?

And if there is not - what does that mean ?
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Not face masks but care homes. The other countries mentioned value their elderly population and we treat ours like shit. Median age of all these ‘covid deaths’ is 84, which is older than the life expectancy of anyone ever born in this country. Now, imagine that someone has made up a ‘likely death number’ and the government have panicked and, consequently, instead of getting PPE into care homes and stopping infections in those care homes, we just sent a load of old, co-morbid and infected patients, back into a confined space, in the name of ‘protecting the NHS’.

Not only that, but we then promised up to £2.5k a month for people to not work, whilst we stood by and watched the people working in those infection pits (and those taking people to work in those homes and hospitals) get by on minimum wage, with £90 pw if they were ill. Surprisingly enough, lots of them went to work whilst they were ill. And then, as if to compound that, let’s send those ill members of care home staff to work in up to 5 different care homes a fortnight. If you’d actually wanted to get rid of large numbers of elderly people, you couldn’t have actually come up with a better plan.
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Where your evidence for saying people who were ill
With Covid chose to go to work? You may be right but I would like to see your evidence. I know people who were entitled to go to work as self employed but chose to stay at home and we’re earning sweet FA.

Yes older people aren’t valued enough in our society and people in care homes including residents and staff should have had far better protection tue numbers of people being moved from hospitals to care homes reduced but the people who were still shouldn’t have been transferred without testing.
 
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