George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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One thing to keep in mind is a main objective of "the government" is to make so protesting or threatening to group up for change is not possible.
It isnt feasible for them - think about the corruption and hypocrisy you see in government politics and foriegn policy. A climate where the public can unite for change is not something tolerated - especially rioting, which gives the perfect platform to codemn and impose the nanny state ideology.
 
Posted this after you quoted me:

"In one video, some **** came to the Chicago protest armed with machine gun despite open carry being illegal in Illinois. Police just politely speaks with him and he freely walks away. If that was a black man, he'd at least had 10 guns pointed at him."

- It's pathetic that some people still pretends there are no two laws. One for white Americans and one for the rest.
There is a YouTube video knocking about (which I think I've posted on BM somewhere), in which a white guy and a black guy do a social experiment with open carry. The basic premise is that each of them walk down a street with an assault rifle slung over their shoulder to see what the difference in outcomes would be.

Basically, for the white guy he gets stopped by a single patrol officer and briefly questioned, given a bit of a lecture and sent on his way. The officer did not draw his own weapon and was not aggressive in any way.

The black guy was lucky not to get shot. 1st car pulls up, officer leaps out weapon drawn, the guy was on his knees, rifle on the floor held at gunpoint until 2 other police cars turned up. He was then cuffed and placed face down on the floor whilst the officers checked his credentials.

It was an open carry state and both guys had clean criminal records and legally held firearms.
 
There is a YouTube video knocking about (which I think I've posted on BM somewhere), in which a white guy and a black guy do a social experiment with open carry. The basic premise is that each of them walk down a street with an assault rifle slung over their shoulder to see what the difference in outcomes would be.

Basically, for the white guy he gets stopped by a single patrol officer and briefly questioned, given a bit of a lecture and sent on his way. The officer did not draw his own weapon and was not aggressive in any way.

The black guy was lucky not to get shot. 1st car pulls up, officer leaps out weapon drawn, the guy was on his knees, rifle on the floor held at gunpoint until 2 other police cars turned up. He was then cuffed and placed face down on the floor whilst the officers checked his credentials.

It was an open carry state and both guys had clean criminal records and legally held firearms.
Have seen it a couple of times.
Not only that, but the black guy cooperates with the police requests, which are in actuality demands.
The female filming probably prevents him from being treated even worse.

The white guys refuse under their constitutional rights to show identification. They start quoting the law and what the cops can and cannot do and the cop seems confused as to what to do, but basically sends them on their way.
 
It's always worth remembering that absolutely everything you've seen over the past week has escalated from a single allegation that a man tried to pay with a fake $20. The police through their deliberate policy of escalating violence have gone from arresting someone for using a fake $20, to shooting unarmed people in the streets en masse.

Plus the looters have to take responsibility for the people they have lynched.
 
It definitely does. In the US it is a cultural and societal problem pushed by the fact that guns are so often involved. Teaching people that carrying guns is okay breeds violence, it also breeds mistrust in the fact that you need a gun to protect yourself which is the number one reason for gun possession.

The police in the US have a very difficult job, they have to avoid using violence when they know full well that in many cases the guys they are persecuting will likely be armed and willing to fire. Of course though, the guy that killed Floyd was completely wrong and should be jailed, there is no defending that. The circumstances these guys work in though is just incredibly difficult.

Let's put it another way - 2 police officers have been shot and killed in these protests and no-one even cares, that is how difficult their job is.

Take the guns away and you no longer have the spark that is driving this entire thing.

Nedum Onuaha spoke about this yesterday. He said that basically hes a bit wary of the police in the UK, but he fears the police in the USA because any incident is likely to be fatal.
 
Nedum Onuaha spoke about this yesterday. He said that basically hes a bit wary of the police in the UK, but he fears the police in the USA because any incident is likely to be fatal.

That isn't true, statistically it is very unlikely that the incident will be fatal.

236 black people were killed by the police last year in the US (with guns obviously).

If you read about every single one it will state "suspect was armed with a gun".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/

The exact same applies to the 370 white people that were killed and the 160 hispanic people.

The overriding repetive factor in 99% of fatal killings is ALWAYS the same and it is guns, not race.
 
That isn't true, statistically it is very unlikely that the incident will be fatal.

236 black people were killed by the police last year in the US (with guns obviously).

If you read about every single one it will state "suspect was armed with a gun".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/

The exact same applies to the 370 white people that were killed and the 160 hispanic people.

The overriding repetive factor in 99% of fatal killings is ALWAYS the same and it is guns, not race.

So the minority that makes up 13% of the population makes up 31% of the people killed by police.

But not only that, they make up 39% of people killed by police while not attacking.

And that's from police data. If the last 6 days has taught you a single thing, it should be that the police lie as an institution to protect themselves. So we know that data isn't the truth.
 
So the minority that makes up 13% of the population makes up 31% of the people killed by police.

That isn't true, statistically it is very unlikely that the incident will be fatal.

236 black people were killed by the police last year in the US (with guns obviously).

If you read about every single one it will state "suspect was armed with a gun".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/

The exact same applies to the 370 white people that were killed and the 160 hispanic people.

The overriding repetive factor in 99% of fatal killings is ALWAYS the same and it is guns, not race.

I am just glad we don't have Police over here holding guns as a standard.

I have had various run in's with the police over the time I have been on this earth, but that is my own fault.

Think the closest to a gun I have had pointed at me is a Tazer gun
 
So the minority that makes up 13% of the population makes up 31% of the people killed by police.

Yeah I understand that but I think your missing the antagonist in this which is the fact that most of those shot were carrying weapons.

Why were they carrying weapons to get themselves shot? Were they law abiding citizens?

Let's contrast this to the UK where only 3 people were killed by the police in total last year..... Are our police less racist then?

Absolutely not and who knows, it's just that guns aren't legal here so you won't get shot for carrying one or pointing them back!
 
This video the BBC have put in an article is insightful.

9 police officers, 4 wearing white shirts so they are Lieutenants or higher in rank.

And none of them know that essential workers like food delivery drivers are exempt from the curfew.

It's not violent this time, but it really shows the dysfunction of the police department.
 
Nedum Onuaha spoke about this yesterday. He said that basically hes a bit wary of the police in the UK, but he fears the police in the USA because any incident is likely to be fatal.
https://www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/commentary/2020-06-03-reflections-on-color-of-my-skin.php

"Some studies show that the risk of death for an unarmed person at the hands of the police is approximately the same no matter the demographics of who gets arrested. Okay. But if your demographic gets stopped ten times more than others, then your demographic will die at ten times the rate."
 
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Are they your own thoughts or is it a transcript from somewhere?

I agree wholeheartedly that this is being ramped up under Trump to the points mentioned.
But the underlying problems have been there for a long time.
Him at the helm and the fact another such police murder was so graphically caught on mobile camera, seems to have brought this to a head and you do get the feeling, not so much that this time it’s different. But, this time with his re-election at stake, the pressure won’t be allowed to drop until something positively tangible is done.

The fact he is at the helm makes that less likely and his next move is crucial in where America goes with these protests.

Pressure seems like it is starting to mount from within the various corridors of power. Certainly you would think he does not have the backing of the military, so I don’t see the prospect of him forcing a dictatorship situation.

Stay safe my friend. As I told you before, I have family in South side Chicago and I would hate this to turn ugly.
My own thoughts, as always, unless otherwise noted.

I was on the South Side yesterday. Just another Thursday, as opposed to the stark reality of the Mag Mile. Things had calmed down for the most part, but Summer Friday & Saturday nights, when the weather is hot, are a bloodbath in the South Side, as you know. Sadly, the general sentiment has been “as long as they’re only killing themselves, and keeping it confined to their own streets, then whatever!” Never heard that publicly or officially, but it is common parlance amongst (the mostly white) people with whom I interact.

And, lest we gloss over the fact, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of black people are just as law-abiding, if not more so, than white people. They know the system is rigged against them and take great pains to stay out of it, having learned the lessons the hard way in their community. Poverty, economic injustice born of racist policies, and a judicial system that sees the George Floyds of the world as “angry black men we should fear.”

We can be better. We NEED to be better. And, by WE, I mean the white society that CREATES the policies that have created the lopsided playing field by putting their racist thumb on the scales of justice.

I grew up in an era of songs about “Paki-bashing” and the like, but my children’s generation of young, educated, socially aware adults are, for the most part, colorblind and more interested in your beliefs than your color. That’s a good thing.
 
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