George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[blue b4 the moon]

I still think this is a lot less dangerous than seeing people crammed into trains and buses.

I'm going to generalise but how do you think this lot got here, for this or the London one & probably others around the UK?

They will be on trams, tubes, trains, buses etc

The theory behind the demos is fine & I totally support the cause but, & I'm generalising again too many of the British public are fuckwits.

 

[oakiecokie]

Yes but a marginally less old one, "rumour has it"....than you.

Probably true mate. ;)

 

[Nellies left peg]

You're speculating on whether they have or haven't thought about how to return home; to wash hands, bathe, shower, etc.

Bit silly to do so.

I am of an age that I have a reasonable idea of human nature and suspect these people haven’t given much thought about the covid virus at all. It's not how they return home or wash its about cramming together in small spaces and taking risks that are unacceptable at this time.

 

[Mon Autre]

These people protesting should give a thought to when they return home to their elderly parents and grandparents and if and when they pass on the virus have a good long look in the mirror and be totally ashamed of themselves as they are knotting their black ties for the funerals

To be fair, i think a lot of them have considered that. I think a lot of people who have contact with vulnerable relatives kept to the fringes and some didnt attend at all (that's why I stayed away.)

 

[purplenose]

I'm pretty confident that I'm not thick so I'm not really worried about how I'm coming across on that front.

I acknowledge that these gatherings carry risk. I think something like this is far less risky than Cheltenham though, with all the backslapping, hand shaking, exchanging of cash, people touching doors and bar surfaces etc. So I just really really hope we wouldn't see anything like a similar outcome from something like this.

I am damn sure you are not remotely thick mate!

For the record I am not convinced that the virus is not in the process of dying out or infact might have run out of places to go but I really would not bank on it nor would I argue with anyone calling such a theory as bollocks. If by any chance I am along the lines of being right then there may not be any great spike as there did not seem to be much from the VE day things.

That risk is still as far as is known significant and there can be no excuse for what we have seen. After all if this is allowed why not open the Etihad for business?

 

[Nellies left peg]

To be fair, i think a lot of them have considered that. I think a lot of people who have contact with vulnerable relatives kept to the fringes and some didnt attend at all (that's why I stayed away.)

Because you obviously thought although you agree with the principle, now is not the right time. Fair play to you

 

[kaz7]

Nothing against protesting for a very good cause but now is clearly not the time!

With regards to Cummings its smple pal, he should have been sacked straight away!

The time is now,murdering a black man in the street on camera with the cop looking nonchalantly around is the final straw,it was a public snuff movie,watching CNN at night I saw last night women being body slammed,beaten up for standing still or one they dragged out of a car,the elderly man having his head smashed open,the official report said he slipped and fell,police shooting those hard things ,i forget the name at peaceful protesters,some point blank range,one peaceful 17yr old was hit in the head,they cause a lot of damage ,then there was a copper bending down to pepper spray a child in the face,all of this on camera,they are out of control,now is very much the time,covid or no covid,that will be gone one day but police violence will not if they let this go now

 

[Sir peace frog]

I totally get where you're coming from. As I said, the scenes make me uneasy too. The reason I replied to you rather than some of the other people voicing concerns about it is that I know I'd get a far more reasoned and pragmatic exchange about it and something closer to how I feel about it. But like I say, we probably have a bigger problem with what's what's going on on packed out public transport and poorly planned out workspaces than at something like this.

It's been drummed into us to feel anxious about gatherings of this scale, so its a normal reaction. But I just think everyone needs to be a bit open minded about why this is happening (and I think you are to be fair). Racism is pervasive and never ending for people. It will continue to kill and deny opportunities to people long after covid19 so I understand why it's happening and I can't condemn the people protesting. I do really hope that people were taking the best measures they could though.

I know I'm going to get loads of shit for what I'm saying. I'm going to try and resist to say much more and get drawn into arguments with other posters who disagree with me. Ive had a shit week and a lot of this stuff is bringing me down now. I didn't really want to argue, I just wanted to at least put another perspective out there in the midst of a lot of angry posts. Like it's good to at at least see all sides

I think I would like to give you a very big hug ,with ppe on of course xxx

 

[purplenose]

To be fair, i think a lot of them have considered that. I think a lot of people who have contact with vulnerable relatives kept to the fringes and some didnt attend at all (that's why I stayed away.)

IF it had happened in this country and we did not have this virus I would be there as well, no question.

Nobody with any decency across the planet cannot surely support the cause and can express it strongly in numerous ways that carry no risk to other innocents of any background.

 

[Mon Autre]

I am damn sure you are not remotely thick mate!

For the record I am not convinced that the virus is not in the process of dying out or infact might have run out of places to go but I really would not bank on it nor would I argue with anyone calling such a theory as bollocks. If by any chance I am along the lines of being right then there may not be any great spike as there did not seem to be much from the VE day things.

That risk is still as far as is known significant and there can be no excuse for what we have seen. After all if this is allowed why not open the Etihad for business?

Well you never know, we might we'll see football crowds return sooner than other things. Something where people aren't moving around and is in the open air might end up being deemed safer. Providing they can manage the movement of people to their seats. I'm low key hoping they reduce risk at half time bars by changing the rules for us to have pints delivered to our seats ha.

 

[Bigga]

I am of an age that I have a reasonable idea of human nature and suspect these people haven’t given much thought about the covid virus at all. It's not how they return home or wash its about cramming together in small spaces and taking risks that are unacceptable at this time.

Still unfair to assume. Human nature surprises us all; look at the callous treatment the police to protesters and look at the support of Human Beings wanting change. Two examples right there.

People have had enough information on how to try and lessen infection.

There's also a likelihood there'll be people at home telling them to put their clothes in the wash, or have a shower etc.

 

[Nellies left peg]

The time is now,murdering a black man in the street on camera with the cop looking nonchalantly around is the final straw,it was a public snuff movie,watching CNN at night I saw last night women being body slammed,beaten up for standing still or one they dragged out of a car,the elderly man having his head smashed open,the official report said he slipped and fell,police shooting those hard things ,i forget the name at peaceful protesters,some point blank range,one peaceful 17yr old was hit in the head,they cause a lot of damage ,then there was a copper bending down to pepper spray a child in the face,all of this on camera,they are out of control,now is very much the time,covid or no covid,that will be gone one day but police violence will not if they let this go now

Let them protest all they like in the USA. We should be making sure our health and economy are back up and running. Whatever happens in this country is not going to change the system in the US

 

[twosips]

I wish we had a government that had the balls to give advice, with caution, to all those who had attended the protests. Just get ahead of the game on this. People were always going to go, so be proactive! A statement aimed at all attending maybe:

"We advise everyone follows the rules. Social-distance and stay at home where possible. This is the best way to keep the spread of this virus down. If at any point you feel you may have done anything that directly contravened these rules, please be as cautious as possible. If you are around others, and we still strongly advise you are not, please wear a mask. While we don't condone this, if it happens, this will save lives of many, many people. We can't stress this enough. Cover your face.

Please avoid others where possible too, and if you have been out and fear you may have come into close contact with other people, consider avoiding other public places such as shops or public transport on your way back. Limit the spread. Maybe keep your distance from people for some time after this event too. Isolate where possible, and don't see loved ones. Minimise the risk. Don't touch any handles or lift buttons as you return home, or make an effort to clean them. Please, please act responsibly and considerately"

That isn't perfect, but it took me two mins to write. Hopefully you know what I mean though. I can imagine their behavioural scientists could come up with something better. Maybe get in touch with activists and spread this message too! Once again, get ahead of the game. Get in touch with John Boyega! Ask if he could issue a statement about it. Ask him to wear masks, keep distance, avoid shops on the way back, avoid public transport. Be ultra cautious etc. Damage limitation.

I wish we had this common sense. You don't have to specifically mention the protests or condone them, but you can explicitly imply it. Maybe i'm being naive, but I wish we could do this kinda thing.

 

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

How long before it jumps to R2,I think wed/Thursday.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Your particular viewpoint on whether we are and aren't "like the US" is verified by a personal POV, is it...?

The top four and about 8 of the top 10 most deprived neighbourhoods in Britain are white majority areas, that could not be said in the US.

While there are inner-city neighbourhoods that see a greater number of minorities living in them than the suburbs, that is mainly down to the minorities being recent (last 50 years or so) immigrants who only had the money to live in these areas. Like my Mum’s side of the family who are Polish and live in Moss Side and Cheetham Hill. And even then these neighbourhoods are split by many different immigrant populations from Polish to Irish to Caribbean to South Asian to Middle Eastern to North and sub-Saharan African as well as a huge white population in all of them. That’s nothing like in the US where they split up their ethnicities into their own neighbourhoods and control the money that is spent on those neighbourhoods to keep certain ethnicities forever deprived.

Also unlike the US, the worst academically performing school children in Britain are white boys from deprived areas, they also make up the largest proportion of school truants and refusers, as well as the lowest ratio of people who go to university and adult unemployed.

80% of England and Wales are white British but a much larger percentage of homeless people are white and a much larger percentage have drug dependencies than the 80% ratio in the general population.

No ethnicity makes up a greater proportion of the prison system in Britain than represents their ethnicity of the whole population, compare that the the USA and it’s in a different stratosphere.

People think that Brexit was a Trump-like protest vote by racists in Britain, but it was nothing of the sort for most people. For decades many fair academic minded people have been Euro-sceptics. Nothing to do with race for generations. Some racists jumped on the bandwagon but were only really influenced by certain propaganda aimed at their level but all-in it was next to nothing. But you couldn’t say that about Trump’s supporters.

And most importantly with regards to this subject, Police brutality is not directed at any ethnic minority in any greater manner than towards any other demographic in Britain.

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Any movement or protest that campaigns against violence and racism towards ethnic minorities is certainly a worthy cause and one I would advocate myself. We’re also in the middle of a pandemic that has killed 40,000+ which is why the protest should’ve been scheduled/organised for a later date which wouldn’t put the well-being of the people at risk. The same also applies to other various events - Cheltenham, Stereophonic gig, lfc/athletico CL game and the beaches/tourist spots reopening last week.

If the protest does indeed have any impact I suspect we won’t know until the end of the month or early July. I’ve no idea how it works in the US but from my understanding over here you have to coordinate any protest with the police (even if the police is your grievance). This’ll just be added to the inevitable enquiry we’re going to see years from now - Why all these events just had to go ahead when they could easily have gone ahead at a later date.

 

[Sir peace frog]

The time is now,murdering a black man in the street on camera with the cop looking nonchalantly around is the final straw,it was a public snuff movie,watching CNN at night I saw last night women being body slammed,beaten up for standing still or one they dragged out of a car,the elderly man having his head smashed open,the official report said he slipped and fell,police shooting those hard things ,i forget the name at peaceful protesters,some point blank range,one peaceful 17yr old was hit in the head,they cause a lot of damage ,then there was a copper bending down to pepper spray a child in the face,all of this on camera,they are out of control,now is very much the time,covid or no covid,that will be gone one day but police violence will not if they let this go now

you were very very outspoken about 22 footballers running around and the dangers of infection, and rightly so but demonstrations are ok ?

 

[kaz7]

Do these protesters that are putting our lives at risk really think Trump gives a f**k ?

There is racism is in this country,black and ethnic are low paid and looked down on here,this has stirred everyone into action,the nhs and care sector are full of them on minimum wage,they might not be being killed by cops here but they have plenty to March against,ask raz about racism in this country ,change has to start somewhere ,it is unfortunate timing with covid but I support them having a voice and taking this high profile movement to try and move things on here

 

[purplenose]

Well you never know, we might we'll see football crowds return sooner than other things. Something where people aren't moving around and is in the open air might end up being deemed safer. Providing they can manage the movement of people to their seats. I'm low key hoping they reduce risk at half time bars by changing the rules for us to have pints delivered to our seats ha.

Guilty of a bit of thread drift (sorry mods) but the sensible thing would be let non league start up first see what happens with crowds of a couple of hundred upto a couple of thousand.

 

[purplenose]

There is racism is in this country,black and ethnic are low paid and looked down on here,this has stirred everyone into action,the nhs and care sector are full of them on minimum wage,they might not be being killed by cops here but they have plenty to March against,ask raz about racism in this country ,change has to start somewhere ,it is unfortunate timing with covid but I support them having a voice and taking this high profile movement to try and move things on here

Cant fault that.