George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

Still unfair to assume. Human nature surprises us all; look at the callous treatment the police to protesters and look at the support of Human Beings wanting change. Two examples right there.

People have had enough information on how to try and lessen infection.

There's also a likelihood there'll be people at home telling them to put their clothes in the wash, or have a shower etc.

That advice all goes to shit if they have become infected. Yes they may lessen the chance for that evening by following washing guidelines but what happens in three days when they show no signs and are back in the household acting normally with family members they are isolating with.

The chances of transition are small but not as small as staying away. I realise the cause is more than worthy of protest but am not convinced that it should have been done with the current situation.

 

[Bigga]

The top four and about 8 of the top 10 most deprived neighbourhoods in Britain are white majority areas, that could not be said in the US.

While there are inner-city neighbourhoods that see a greater number of minorities living in them than the suburbs, that is mainly down to the minorities being recent (last 50 years or so) immigrants who only had the money to live in these areas. Like my Mum’s side of the family who are Polish and live in Moss Side and Cheetham Hill. And even then these neighbourhoods are split by many different immigrant populations from Polish to Irish to Caribbean to South Asian to Middle Eastern to North and sub-Saharan African. That’s nothing like in the US where they split up their ethnicities into their own neighbourhoods and control the money that is spent on those neighbourhoods to keep certain ethnicities forever deprived.

Also unlike the US, the worst academically performing school children in Britain are white boys from deprived areas, they also make up the largest proportion of school truants and refusers, as well as the lowest ratio of people who go to university and adult unemployed.

80% of England and Wales are white British but a much larger percentage of homeless people are white and a much larger percentage have drug dependencies than the 80% ratio in the general population.

No ethnicity makes up a greater proportion of the prison system in Britain than represents their ethnicity of the whole population, compare that the the USA and it’s in a different stratosphere.

People think that Brexit was a Trump-like protest vote by racists in Britain, but it was nothing of the sort for most people. For decades many fair academic minded people have been Euro-sceptics. Nothing to do with race for generations. Some racists jumped on the bandwagon but were only really influenced by certain propaganda aimed at their level but all-in it was next to nothing. But you couldn’t say that about Trump’s supporters.

And most importantly with regards to this subject, Police brutality is not directed at any ethnic minority in any greater manner than towards any other demographic in Britain.

Great write up, but entirely avoided my question.

Have YOU a personal POV verification that you can say we are or aren't like the US.

Have you been randomly stopped and searched or arrested 'in suspicion of' according to description, for any reason?

My nephews have.

I have.

Have you? is the question.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I wish we had a government that had the balls to give advice, with caution, to all those who had attended the protests. Just get ahead of the game on this. People were always going to go, so be proactive! A statement aimed at all attending maybe:

"We advise everyone follows the rules. Social-distance and stay at home where possible. This is the best way to keep the spread of this virus down. If at any point you feel you may have done anything that directly contravened these rules, please be as cautious as possible. If you are around others, and we still strongly advise you are not, please wear a mask. While we don't condone this, if it happens, this will save lives of many, many people. We can't stress this enough. Cover your face.

Please avoid others where possible too, and if you have been out and fear you may have come into close contact with other people, consider avoiding other public places such as shops or public transport on your way back. Limit the spread. Maybe keep your distance from people for some time after this event too. Isolate where possible, and don't see loved ones. Minimise the risk. Don't touch any handles or lift buttons as you return home, or make an effort to clean them. Please, please act responsibly and considerately"

That isn't perfect, but it took me two mins to write. Hopefully you know what I mean though. I can imagine their behavioural scientists could come up with something better. Maybe get in touch with activists and spread this message too! Once again, get ahead of the game. Get in touch with John Boyega! Ask if he could issue a statement about it. Ask him to wear masks, keep distance, avoid shops on the way back, avoid public transport. Be ultra cautious etc. Damage limitation.

I wish we had this common sense. You don't have to specifically mention the protests or condone them, but you can explicitly imply it. Maybe i'm being naive, but I wish we could do this kinda thing.

I think the Govt should come out and say that anyone who has been out in a crowd of any kind, in a beach/in a park/at a house party/at these protests should now quarantine in their own homes for 14 days.

It’s the only way forward to stop the selfish fuckers from affecting us all.

 

[Ballet-on-ice]

Absolute madness. Millions of people have put their lives on hold for weeks for the greater good and in the main abided by the rules. I’m sure there will be thousands of scousers thinking what’s good for the goose....

Fucks sake! Never thought of that.

 

[Mike Cledford]

It’s a total fucking disgrace. What are we up to now 55,000 excess deaths since March? and we have rules in place that people are just fucking breaking and endangering many thousands more lives.

All for something that they just see as fashionable to play along with. An issue in another country that’s been picked to be bothered about because it’s the US while ignoring years of racism and murder in West Papua towards the indigenous black population by Indonesians, while ignoring years of barbaric treatment and murder of black people in Yemen by the Arabic population, while ignoring years of genocide towards non-Islamic black people by the Islamic population in Darfur... black lives only seem to matter to most people when it’s something they can put a hashtag to and post on social media about saying “look at me, look at what I’m taking part in”!

I wouldn’t have been bothered about any of this at any other time outside a killer virus, but the pure selfishness and stupidity of people breaking these restrictions (that aren’t even hard enough, people still should be staying at home IMO, but that’s another argument) and putting vulnerable people in each of our families at higher risk with every one of them that go outdoors to protest (or worse)... I’m beyond pissed off about it.

EDIT- I’ve just looked it up and we’re over 62,000 excess deaths due to Covid now

Unfortunately many of the people who want to seen making fashionable protests soon get fed up with them and it gets forgotten.

Such as 'je suis Charlie' 5 years ago. All over the place and now nobody seems to give a toss for Charlie.

 

[Bigga]

That advice all goes to shit if they have become infected. Yes they may lessen the chance for that evening by following washing guidelines but what happens in three days when they show no signs and are back in the household acting normally with family members they are isolating with.

The chances of transition are small but not as small as staying away. I realise the cause is more than worthy of protest but am not convinced that it should have been done with the current situation.

I get that and haven't said at any point there'll be no chance of infection.

People are people and when they want to protest, I'm sure they'll view things as calculated in risk.

 

[kaz7]

you were very very outspoken about 22 footballers running around and the dangers of infection, and rightly so but demonstrations are ok ?

You read my post and that is what you come up with? Football is not important,it is not essential ,ask the black players about racism and if they would march if they could,they use their platform to talk about racism,have you not been listening,it is shit timing i agree but some things are just too important to not take this opportunity when it is high profile ,white people will never understand what it like to be hated for the colour of our skin,this is decades of oppression coming out,you can't tell them they are wrong ,this is their life

There are a lot of them wearing masks

Just on the news now that the two police who pushed over the elderly man have been charged

 

[True_Blue69]

I think the Govt should come out and say that anyone who has been out in a crowd of any kind, in a beach/in a park/at a house party/at these protests should now quarantine in their own homes for 14 days.

It’s the only way forward to stop the selfish fuckers from affecting us all.

And stop any furlough payments they were getting at the same time

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Great write up, but entirely avoided my question.

Have YOU a personal POV verification that you can say we are or aren't like the US.

Have you been randomly stopped and searched or arrested 'in suspicion of' according to description, for any reason?

My nephews have.

I have.

Have you? is the question.

I thought you meant why I thought we were different to the US.

But yes, I was stopped and searched coming out of Club V in 2006.... I was also truncheoned across the back of the legs by GMP at the 2010 home derby game for daring to say “STOP IT” when one copper hit a young couple across their hands when they were walking holding hands trying to get away from a big ruckus... I was arrested in 2004 in Alty town centre for being near an incident I had nothing to do with just because I think they thought I looked a bit dodgy and was pissed out of my head, the incident was lads who were trying to get at some bouncers who’d locked themselves behind the entrance to a bar. I got a bit mouthy because they accused me but I wasn’t out of order. I was not charged with anything but held in the cells for 26 hours with only one drink given to me and only one of those mini-boxes of CornFlakes.

EDIT- just remembered I was also threatened with arrest at Bolton away once for jokingly asking if the copper was going to pick his horse’s shit up and that if I let my dog shit in the street and didn’t pick it up I’d be fined. Yeah I was a bit cunty, but was it really worth threatening me with arrest?

 

[purplenose]

The top four and about 8 of the top 10 most deprived neighbourhoods in Britain are white majority areas, that could not be said in the US.

While there are inner-city neighbourhoods that see a greater number of minorities living in them than the suburbs, that is mainly down to the minorities being recent (last 50 years or so) immigrants who only had the money to live in these areas. Like my Mum’s side of the family who are Polish and live in Moss Side and Cheetham Hill. And even then these neighbourhoods are split by many different immigrant populations from Polish to Irish to Caribbean to South Asian to Middle Eastern to North and sub-Saharan African as well as a huge white population in all of them. That’s nothing like in the US where they split up their ethnicities into their own neighbourhoods and control the money that is spent on those neighbourhoods to keep certain ethnicities forever deprived.

Also unlike the US, the worst academically performing school children in Britain are white boys from deprived areas, they also make up the largest proportion of school truants and refusers, as well as the lowest ratio of people who go to university and adult unemployed.

80% of England and Wales are white British but a much larger percentage of homeless people are white and a much larger percentage have drug dependencies than the 80% ratio in the general population.

No ethnicity makes up a greater proportion of the prison system in Britain than represents their ethnicity of the whole population, compare that the the USA and it’s in a different stratosphere.

People think that Brexit was a Trump-like protest vote by racists in Britain, but it was nothing of the sort for most people. For decades many fair academic minded people have been Euro-sceptics. Nothing to do with race for generations. Some racists jumped on the bandwagon but were only really influenced by certain propaganda aimed at their level but all-in it was next to nothing. But you couldn’t say that about Trump’s supporters.

And most importantly with regards to this subject, Police brutality is not directed at any ethnic minority in any greater manner than towards any other demographic in Britain.

Great post but I fear appropriately for today.....you sir are pissing into the wind.

 

[quiet_riot]

Astute, mate!

I'm aware (post-post!) that I completely disregarded proper Americans - the natives...the "red indians" as the whites so nicely put it.


Sorry @mancity2012_eamo, I typed this before I read your reply! Yes! And thanks for educating me, I had to google WASP!

 

[purplenose]

I thought you meant why I thought we were different to the US.

But yes, I was stopped and searched coming out of Club V in 2006.... I was also truncheoned across the back of the legs by GMP at the 2010 home derby game for daring to say “STOP IT” when one copper hit a young couple across their hands when they were walking holding hands trying to get away from a big ruckus... I was arrested in 2004 in Alty town centre for being near an incident I had nothing to do with just because I think they thought I looked a bit dodgy and was pissed out of my head, the incident was lads who were trying to get at some bouncers who’d locked themselves behind the entrance to a bar. I got a bit mouthy because they accused me but I wasn’t out of order. I was not charged with anything but held in the cells for 26 hours with only one drink given to me and only one of those mini-boxes of CornFlakes.

I think there are a few of us on here who can say we have been on the end of bad policing, just for being a football fan, or infact being young and male. Just to clarify before oakie does, my experiences were quite some time ago.

 

[give it to gordon]

There is racism is in this country,black and ethnic are low paid and looked down on here,this has stirred everyone into action,the nhs and care sector are full of them on minimum wage,they might not be being killed by cops here but they have plenty to March against,ask raz about racism in this country ,change has to start somewhere ,it is unfortunate timing with covid but I support them having a voice and taking this high profile movement to try and move things on here

I dont disagree about racism in this country. But what happens in the usa has been going on for years, why should we get involved in what's happened there when we are in the middle of a pandemic ?.
IF the police had killed a non white person in this country, the usa wouldnt be having marches in support, it's a one way street. If this protest was taken place in a non pandemic time I would be fine with it , even if a usa killing, but not now.

Lots of people have been stuck in their homes for 12 weeks now obeying the government and than this happens putting everything the law abiding public in danger of a spike in the virus.
I feel quite angry that for months now I have been following the governments guidelines, working throughout the lockdown risking my health, and than we get 1000's ignoring the government. Second spike incoming I would guess :(

 

[give it to gordon]

Let them protest all they like in the USA. We should be making sure our health and economy are back up and running. Whatever happens in this country is not going to change the system in the US

This

 

[Bigga]

I thought you meant why I thought we were different to the US.

But yes, I was stopped and searched coming out of Club V in 2006.... I was also truncheoned across the back of the legs by GMP at the 2010 home derby game for daring to say “STOP IT” when one copper hit a young couple across their hands when they were walking holding hands trying to get away from a big ruckus... I was arrested in 2004 in Alty town centre for being near an incident I had nothing to do with just because I think they thought I looked a bit dodgy and was pissed out of my head, the incident was lads who were trying to get at some bouncers who’d locked themselves behind the entrance to a bar. I got a bit mouthy because they accused me but I wasn’t out of order. I was not charged with anything but held in the cells for 26 hours with only one drink given to me and only one of those mini-boxes of CornFlakes.

Interesting and small world.

That would have most likely have been Ali and myself that were being attacked in Alty... By City fans, of all people.

So, you have some experience of the police, but not as a target.

Imagine if you're targeted and 'stop and search' was fairly regular?

Happened to myself in my late 20's and I was told I was "known". Lifted for armed robbery of a hotel, suspect of a rape(neither which I knew happened) and lifted for a GBH of a rapist(for which I can or cannot deny).

Also happened to my nephew in Manchester for assumption of weed possession and I've heard similar to my nephew in London.

 

[purplenose]

Great write up, but entirely avoided my question.

Have YOU a personal POV verification that you can say we are or aren't like the US.

Have you been randomly stopped and searched or arrested 'in suspicion of' according to description, for any reason?

My nephews have.

I have.

Have you? is the question.

I dont doubt that the coppers even here can claim to be totally race impartial, though I think there are an awful lot of young white males cop it too. If anything I would think given the current climate stopping white kids is a lot less hassle than stopping others. Coppers by and large want an easy life and not lots of paperwork, or a roasting for kicking off racial tensions.

It is common knowledge from the horses mouth that some crimes have gone unchecked due to fears over racial unrest.

 

[kaz7]

Let them protest all they like in the USA. We should be making sure our health and economy are back up and running. Whatever happens in this country is not going to change the system in the US

You are missing the point,we police by consent here but the racism and struggles that go with being black and ethnic are here as well,they are showing support for the Americans getting battered and murdered but they have their own issues here ,this is the best chance in a long time to try and raise those and try and force change

As I say it is shit timing but being treated badly for the colour of your skin is something they live with every day so I support their right to take this opportunity

A lot are wearing masks,the gov keep telling us that transmission in the open air is very low,it is transmission indoors that is the worst risk,we haven't seen a big jump from Easter or the last bank holiday crowds so hopefully it will be ok,everyone moving is better than a football crowd staying put and singing and shouting and hugging right in each other's faces is the more risky thing to do

 

[Sir peace frog]

You read my post and that is what you come up with? Football is not important,it is not essential ,ask the black players about racism and if they would march if they could,they use their platform to talk about racism,have you not been listening,it is shit timing i agree but some things are just too important to not take this opportunity when it is high profile ,white people will never understand what it like to be hated for the colour of our skin,this is decades of oppression coming out,you can't tell them they are wrong ,this is their life

There are a lot of them wearing masks

Just on the news now that the two police who pushed over the elderly man have been charged

what happens if there is mass infection because of this demonstration black lives do matter but my families lives matters,but ive not stayed in and kept away from people I dearly love just so I have to go through another 2 months of fearing for mine and my families safety just so some people who have got fuck all else to do can go and infect us all over again.where were these people when the last black person got beaten to death,more thn likely didn't give a fuck because it didn't concern them,but because they have fuck all to do or are bored they think its ok to put the rest of us in danger
I would of batten charged the fuckers for endangering humanity.

may I add,im in full support of the meaning of the demonstration ,but not at this time

 

[Nellies left peg]

The time is now,murdering a black man in the street on camera with the cop looking nonchalantly around is the final straw,it was a public snuff movie,watching CNN at night I saw last night women being body slammed,beaten up anding still or one they dragged out of a car,the elderly man having his head smashed open,the official report said he slipped and

You are missing the point,we police by consent here but the racism and struggles that go with being black and ethnic are here as well,they are showing support for the Americans getting battered and murdered but they have their own issues here ,this is the best chance in a long time to try and raise those and try and force change

As I say it is shit timing but being treated badly for the colour of your skin is something they live with every day so I support their right to take this opportunity

A lot are wearing masks,the gov keep telling us that transmission in the open air is very low,it is transmission indoors that is the worst risk,we haven't seen a big jump from Easter or the last bank holiday crowds so hopefully it will be ok,everyone moving is better than a football crowd staying put and singing and shouting and hugging right in each other's faces is the more risky thing to do

The point is whatever we do here is not going to change policy in the states and we are being deluded if we think otherwise. They are a gun toting nation and have an extremely heavy handed racist law enforcement system which is not going to Change with a few thousand people marching on the home office.

 

[Bigga]

I dont doubt that the coppers even here can claim to be totally race impartial, though I think there are an awful lot of young white males cop it too. If anything I would think given the current climate stopping white kids is a lot less hassle than stopping others. Coppers by and large want an easy life and not lots of paperwork, or a roasting for kicking off racial tensions.

It is common knowledge from the horses mouth that some crimes have gone unchecked due to fears over racial unrest.

I don't doubt some crimes have gone unchecked. But you have to understand that disproportionately targeting a demographic to boost numbers will have a direct impact on when the job has to be done correctly.

They should hire more ethnically diverse police but, ironically, they haven't been successful because of the systemic racism directed at Black and Brown people within the system and on the streets.

When you burn bridges both ways, you're stuck with the problem of nowhere to go.