George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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quiet_riot said:
Not sure how wanting equality with and for your fellow man is selfish.
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Not sure how marching in close proximity, putting the lives of thousands at risk isn’t selfish? Marching for #blacklivesmatter whilst facing the ironic realisation that BAME people have been disproportionately affected by the pandemic.

Putting those black nurses and doctors at direct risk of their lives when those marchers and/or their families inevitably contract the virus. Pure selfishness.

Absolute cunts
 
Some funny stuff on here re: Marches vs Pandemic.

People are marching so that millions (billions?) of people will STOP being seen as sub-white, and in some cases, sub-human, while others are complaining that they’re not social distancing to stop the threat of a disease that might kill someone.

I would politely stare that the chronic, persistent, systematic undermining, often deadly, actions of whites against blacks ESP IN AMERICA is slightly more important to an entire race, possibly ALL RACES, right now.

Britain will survive COVID-19, but the systemic racism that pervades society is a slow and silent killer of lives and minds every single day for millions (billions?) of people.

And, many of the peaceful protestors are even wearing masks!
 
As mentioned earlier, I think the violence against the police in London today is unacceptable and pretty damaging to the movement as a whole. Some people seem more outraged by that than what is happening in America though, which seems odd to me. It’s a completely different level of aggression being employed by the state over there.
 
bluemoon32 said:
Just seen the footage of the heroic brave souls throwing bikes and bottles at the police horses.
Utter cunts
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Odd how BBC has been shaming people for breaking "lockdown" rules but gloryfing the "protests" , if you can call it that.

Its the same here, they won't let us go down the pub but they will let a zillion people protest and riot
 
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ChicagoBlue said:
Some funny stuff on here re: Marches vs Pandemic.

People are marching so that millions (billions?) of people will STOP being seen as sub-white, and in some cases, sub-human, while others are complaining that they’re not social distancing to stop the threat of a disease that might kill someone.

I would politely stare that the chronic, persistent, systematic undermining, often deadly, actions of whites against blacks ESP IN AMERICA is slightly more important to an entire race, possibly ALL RACES, right now.

Britain will survive COVID-19, but the systemic racism that pervades society is a slow and silent killer of lives and minds every single day for millions (billions?) of people.

And, many of the peaceful protestors are even wearing masks!
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I’m with you, completely on board.

Whilst I honestly think that something really urgently needs to happen about systemic and institutionalised racism, especially in America (the utter shite hole of the western world), these protesters are putting peoples LIVES at risk, directly and indirectly. If a member of my family contracts the virus and dies because of the marches, or if Pep forbid, a member of your family dies because of the marches, would it be worth it?

Peaceful protests (not something we’re seeing right now), and changes must happen and the world needs to change and I hope it changes tomorrow, but to do what is happening right now is putting lives at risk, and that’s unacceptable
 
Ric said:
As mentioned earlier, I think the violence against the police in London today is unacceptable and pretty damaging to the movement as a whole. Some people seem more outraged by that than what is happening in America though, which seems odd to me. It’s a completely different level of aggression being employed by the state over there.
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What happened in America is disgraceful. The reaction against our own British law enforcement is equally disgraceful and taking away from the true purpose and message of what the protests are about; bringing justice to the criminals who murdered George Floyd.

People will start focusing on the unnecessary and unjustified violence rather than the matter at hand. How people still defend the actions of the UK protestors against the police today, yet still claim to be supportive of the Black Lives Matter movement and justice for George Lloyd is a complete mystery to me. It's shameful, and people need to start speaking out against it, just as people need to speak out against police brutality against black communities in the US.

To do one or the other and not both is an example of bias and ignorance. The outrage appears to be selective.
 
Ric said:
Respectfully, I don’t think it is equally disgraceful. You’re comparing apples and oranges.
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By comparing the actions of our law enforcement officers with the actions of perpetrators in another country?

With respect, it's you comparing apples and oranges right now. Our police have done nothing to justify the violence being committed against them in regards to George Floyd. They are attempting to keep the peace, as they are charged, and being chastised for it, purely because they are police officers.
 
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It’s gone beyond any point of recognition as a movement that was designed to highlight the issue surrounding George Floyd.

Quite honestly it’s now a fucking joke and no longer holds any water for me.

Social media doesn’t help. We have some unbelievably stupid fuckers in today’s society who just swallow it all up.

All the context has gone. The whole point of these protests dead.
 
Ric said:
Respectfully, I don’t think it is equally disgraceful. You’re comparing apples and oranges.
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Ric said:
Respectfully, I don’t think it is equally disgraceful. You’re comparing apples and oranges.
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oh give over killing George was wrong and disgraceful by the US police but what the actual fuck has it got to do with the uk position

you're making me embarrassed of our multi cultural society and our football club who have always been welcoming of all.

you clearly never watched city when Roger Palmer was playing .

this is a football forum not a left wing communist club that you want
 
Proy said:
It’s gone beyond any point of recognition as a movement that was designed to highlight the issue surrounding George Floyd.

Quite honestly it’s now a fucking joke and no longer holds any water for me.

Social media doesn’t help. We have some unbelievably stupid fuckers in today’s society who just swallow it all up.

All the context has gone. The whole point of these protests dead.
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Which is a shame, as this was a chance for absolute change. Granted, not all protests have been this way as it appears to be only an ignorant view who want to hijack the protests to "promote" their own ignorant agendas.

But unfortunately, it will be the violent reactions that people will ulitmately remember, and will do nothing to bring about justice.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
By comparing the actions of our law enforcement officers with the actions of perpetrators in another country?

With respect, it's you comparing apples and oranges right now. Our police have done nothing to justify the violence being committed against them in regards to George Floyd. They are attempting to keep the peace, as they are charged, and being chastised for it.
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You’re comparing civil disorder here with murder and systemic racism there, and said “it’s equally disgraceful”. I disagree.
 
Ric said:
As mentioned earlier, I think the violence against the police in London today is unacceptable and pretty damaging to the movement as a whole. Some people seem more outraged by that than what is happening in America though, which seems odd to me. It’s a completely different level of aggression being employed by the state over there.
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I think people are rightly upset and miffed at what's happened to a movement they broadly support, that has got the result of the officers being charged and that whilst uncomfortable for many given the nature of the pandemic, in its early peaceful stages delivering justice for the family was embraced by society. To then see it turn into something politically hijacked, violent, vandalising and prolonged far beyond the gains it could achieve in the middle of a global, lethal pandemic, and in spite of the dangers of said pandemic, with no respect for social distancing or the rules of the society we're having to live in at present, and with no respect for the sacrifices made by millions of law-abiding families in this country who have sacrificed so much, shielded or avoided vulnerable relatives and friends and the 40,000 families who have lost loved ones has become too much.

What was a peaceful movement of equality, to promote respect for the lives of those who are vulnerable and who need support and additional protection and rights in society has been completely turned on its head by people who have disrespected and broken the rules by which we live in protesting other people who have broken other rules, and have endangered the lives of the rest of the country, showing a complete disrespect for the lives of others, showing they don't matter as much as the lives of a particular subset to which they belong and who they're also prepared to endanger just so they can protest and riot and have their moment.

When you're supportive of something and it's thrown back in your face, where you're encouraged and emboldened to support a movement where people's lives matter and we should promote, respect and encourage each other to be more human and embrace the needs of others. To have that thrown back in your face and the lives of your loved ones endangered even further in the weeks ahead is just sickening, as seen by the swing on this thread the past couple of days and why people's support has waned.

It's been hugely damaging but it's completely unsurprising. It's hard to reconcile when you're told that other people's lives matter and need to be respected more, and you've been subconsciously in agreement with that view and are willing to forgive in the short term the dangers of not following social distancing and protecting society as a whole because you understand just how important this issue is and the need for justice and progress coming out as a new society. To have the same people behave and act in a way that inarguably demonstrates that in return your own life and the lives of people you love and care about, as well as everyone else in society don't matter, as long as that subset gets what they want and can be the other side of what they protest to hate so much and want to rid from society, it becomes a very difficult position for so many people, hurtful and painful to see and makes you fearful of the month ahead, yet again, because a subset of this society point blank refuse to play by the same rules as everyone else and that entrenches the divisions still further, and has completely the opposite effect of what we all hoped for just a week ago.
 
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