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[blue b4 the moon]

Who’s this virtue signalling wanker from the Guardian? What other subjects was he expecting an anti-UEFA protest going to cover? Anyway, the reply below is fucking class!

Can't be arsed engaging with him on Twitter but as for awareness, shit Coronation St piccies and liking them to The Fall isn't exactly being social aware.

 

[Jogon 127]

‘Ooh ooh look at the noobs with a small post count’.

Makes you sound like a fucking child....which I’m sure you’re not in many cases.

Always makes me chuckle when I see this iih.

Who gives a shit really? Were all City fans having mega posts means you simply choose to post more in your leisure time or simply have more time to do it, it doesn’t make you some kind of Uber fan with special powers.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

I've known Dante for a very long time.

He's been proactive about fan engagement for as long as I can remember.

He's a doer. He and 1894 deserve plenty of plaudits for trying to make things happen.

There will always be people with nothing nice to say.

He's also a handy bastard.

Actually he isnt handy at all.... He once bought a bed and a wardrobe and hadn't a clue how assemble them. Paid me a load of beers to put them up.....

 

[Blootoof]

I didn’t pay a penny towards it and the banner isn’t for me. However, they do an awful lot and good on them for that. The speed in which some fans have jumped on them, particularly on Twitter is frankly pathetic

I wouldn't take much notice of Twitter mate. It's where cowards go to pump their chests out.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

‘Ooh ooh look at the noobs with a small post count’.

Makes you sound like a fucking child....which I’m sure you’re not in many cases.

Always makes me chuckle when I see this iih.

Who gives a shit really? Were all City fans having mega posts means you simply choose to post more in your leisure time or simply have more time to do it, it doesn’t make you some kind of Uber fan with special powers.

I agree, it's not about post count at all. But a point was made about a certain few that seem to only pop out of the woodwork to take a pop when the club(and supporters) are there to be popped at. I think @cleavers post on this summed a few negative small post count posters up best.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Actually he isnt handy at all.... He once bought a bed and a wardrobe and hadn't a clue how assemble them. Paid me a load of beers to put them up.....

I read that as though you are Bernard 'Righton'; )

 

[urban genie]

In defence of some of those on social media that criticised it, I saw a few acounts and they are long time blues that have been going home and away for decades, and have never shied away from getting up and singing and getting behind the team.

But they are also probably of a different humour to this and even if calling it bobbins still support the message and the 1894 groups efforts.

When you have thousands upon thousands of hard core support not all will appreciate the same things, you see that in the podcast rivalries and even in the ground with such things as those that eyes light up at hearing the edin or going down with a billion in the bank songs and those that groan.

The message got across and got on the back pages of the press and on the news channels both here and overseas, that is all that counts.

Plus bert on bert has always been about as we are a right load of miserable bastards at heart ;-)

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Back page of the I newspaper today.

That is an excellent achievement. Well done again.

 

[Coatigan]

I really hope those inolved have thickened their skin enough not to take the bulk of what is on this thread personally.

In some ways, that is an inevitability of design of any kind, every fud thinks they can do better. Without a clue of the constraints and pressures involved. Given that everyone with any bit of computer software thought their designs/mockups for the club badge a few years back were the bestest and tore into the official one, with the same cliche statements, and every year a new kit is released we see people's versions of what it Should look like etc, the criticisms are hardly surprising.

However the negativity is for me a bit much, the claims of it being embarrassing, shameful etc etc, c'mon, bigger bloody picture. It is a banner, aimed at Uefa in this shitter of situation, and both the message and the effort absolutely desrves recognition and support, wherever your design philosophy convictions lie (and expertise for those that claim it).

What i think it desperately needs, is context, and timing, the lack of that really works against it. And that unfortunately is down to the broader circumstances, of which the entire move and idea is a victim of and can't do anything about.

At the stadium, on an occasion of a night, with fans and cameras... whole other setting and picture, and it takes a slight leap of imagination to appreciate that.
And the muppets thing, a
totally sellable notion and has a catch that sticks. Think of the Israeli sketch artist that went viral with the caricature of the group of politicians as pigs, with enough parallels to make the connection, still gets mileage. With enough of a followthrough these types of things grow organically, and who know where they go, perhaps it leads to the muppets theme tune competing with the uefa anthem at home games one day! Heck im sure some thought inflatable bananas were embarrassing and immature, or the poznan unoriginal and laughable by other clubs, yet i love both.

There's fuck all point discussing whether there is enough or too much white space, what font they should have used, if elmo is a true enough redemblance if less is more or a bore, what other clubs might think or have done. It is an effort to show support to the club, show Uefa som cheek, and that's all that matters for me, so i'll go ahead and praise that.

 

[Jogon 127]

The banner would have been absolutely perfect AT THE GAME v Madrid.....unfortunately it wasn’t to be.

It’s impact has of course been watered down dramatically as a result. Where is CAS located exactly?

To criticise its content is typical of the whingy society we live in.....I’ve done fuck all to contribute so I’ll keep any kind of unwanted critique to myself.....well played 1894.

 

[M18CTID]

I've known Dante for a very long time.

He's been proactive about fan engagement for as long as I can remember.

He's a doer. He and 1894 deserve plenty of plaudits for trying to make things happen.

There will always be people with nothing nice to say.

He's also a handy bastard.

I’ll get to Dante in a minute.

I think opinion on the display can be divided into 3 main groups:

1) Those who liked it
2) Those who didn’t like it, but appreciate the effort that went into it
3) Those who didn’t like it, don’t appreciate the effort that went into it, have never had anything positive to say about 1894, and never will

Negative feedback from individuals who don’t have an agenda against the group - ie: some of the people @urban genie referenced and some of the posters on this thread - aren’t an issue and fall into category 2. You’ll never please everybody and 1894 aren’t above criticism so constructive criticism will be taken on board.

However, some of those who fall into category 3 are up to something more sinister. They mainly reside on that cesspool otherwise known as Twitter, some have a large reach via podcasts and blogs, and have been part of an orchestrated smear campaign against the group for months over the Madrid display and the money that was raised for it. When I say smear campaign, I’m talking things like disgraceful allegations about where the money raised went. And because these people have a decent number of followers, it doesn’t take long for the misinformation to spread, so much so that this shit even spilled into the last home game before lockdown v West Ham. The perps know exactly who they are. Some of them may well lurk and post on this forum. Now that the penny has dropped and they’ve seen the size of the display which in turn has made them realise it cost a lot of money, some have now changed tack and said it would’ve been better to donate the money to charity due to the pandemic. I don’t know what goes through the heads of some of these people but given that the display was paid for long before a single person in this country had died of Covid-19, I’m not sure how that could be possible. In any case, fans donated money to an anti-UEFA protest. As for charity, 1894 has been donating to foodbanks for years and also made a donation just recently.

I don’t know what it is with these people. I can’t work out if it’s a jealousy thing because the group often garners a lot of publicity and can do things that make the back pages of a national newspaper or Sky Sports News (as happened with yesterday’s display), or whether it’s something else. One thing I know for sure is that they’re ungrateful bastards. Why? Well, banners, flags, and displays aren’t for everyone but since forming as an atmosphere group, 1894 has also campaigned tirelessly on various fan related issues. They’re affiliated to the FSA and were heavily involved in the TwentysPlenty campaign for cheaper away tickets. It was Dante himself who came up with the idea of a nationwide weekend of protest which took place in October 2015 and involved fan groups from every other Premier League club and some Football League clubs. Along with lobbying of the Premier League and some of their sponsors from the FSA and fan groups from Liverpool and Everton, just a few months later it was announced that Premier League away tickets would be capped at £30. So despite their shitty smear campaign of late, no doubt some of these clowns have financially benefitted due to 1894 playing a key part in securing cheaper Premier League tickets for all away fans.

I guess that’s gratitude for you!

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I’ll get to Dante in a minute.

I think opinion on the display can be divided into 3 main groups:

1) Those who liked it
2) Those who didn’t like it, but appreciate the effort that went into it
3) Those who didn’t like it, don’t appreciate the effort that went into it, have never had anything positive to say about 1894, and never will

Negative feedback from individuals who don’t have an agenda against the group - ie: some of the people @urban genie referenced and some of the posters on this thread - aren’t an issue and fall into category 2. You’ll never please everybody and 1894 aren’t above criticism so constructive criticism will be taken on board.

However, some of those who fall into category 3 are up to something more sinister. They mainly reside on that cesspool otherwise known as Twitter, some have a large reach via podcasts and blogs, and have been part of an orchestrated smear campaign against the group for months over the Madrid display and the money that was raised for it. When I say smear campaign, I’m talking things like disgraceful allegations about where the money raised went. And because these people have a decent number of followers, it doesn’t take long for the misinformation to spread, so much so that this shit even spilled into the last home game before lockdown v West Ham. The perps know exactly who they are. Some of them may well lurk and post on this forum. Now that the penny has dropped and they’ve seen the size of the display which in turn has made them realise it cost a lot of money, some have now changed tack and said it would’ve been better to donate the money to charity due to the pandemic. I don’t know what goes through the heads of some of these people but given that the display was paid for long before a single person in this country had died of Covid-19, I’m not sure how that could be possible. In any case, fans donated money to an anti-UEFA protest. As for charity, 1894 has been donating to foodbanks for years and also made a donation just recently.

I don’t know what it is with these people. I can’t work out if it’s a jealousy thing because the group often garners a lot of publicity and can do things that make the back pages of a national newspaper or Sky Sports News (as happened with yesterday’s display), or whether it’s something else. One thing I know for sure is that they’re ungrateful bastards. Why? Well, banners, flags, and displays aren’t for everyone but since forming as an atmosphere group, 1894 has also campaigned tirelessly on various fan related issues. They’re affiliated to the FSA and were heavily involved in the TwentysPlenty campaign for cheaper away tickets. It was Dante himself who came up with the idea of a nationwide weekend of protest which took place in October 2015 and involved fan groups from every other Premier League club and some Football League clubs. Along with lobbying of the Premier League and some of their sponsors from the FSA and fan groups from Liverpool and Everton, just a few months later it was announced that Premier League away tickets would be capped at £30. So despite their shitty smear campaign of late, no doubt some of these clowns have financially benefitted due to 1894 playing a key part in securing cheaper Premier League tickets for all away fans.

I guess that’s gratitude for you!

There are, sadly, some snide and smarmy City fans who think they're the bees-knees and far too cool for any of this stuff. It's nothing personal against the 1894 Group; it's anyone who tries to stick their head above the parapet and actually do something, however small, for their fellow fans. It's not just Dante, jrb or you they have a go at, it's also Kevin Parker and Supporters Clubs in general, Ian Cheeseman, City Matters, the Foodbank guys, Dave Wallace and KOTK etc. Anyone with any sort of profile or who does something to help fans or support the club in some way is fair game to them. Fucking arseholes the lot of them.

 

[Corky]

People liking or disliking a banner can't be compared to fans questioning some practices by the club. It is all money first and fans second whether it is UEFA, the FA, the PL or MCFC.

 

[johnmcfcagain]

Well I like the banners. So there. Have it.

 

[kaz7]

Fails to understand original point. Tick.

Resorts to mild abuse and name calling. Tick.

Adopts persona of internet tough guy while sitting in bedroom of mummy’s house. Tick.

Jesus you’re just a stereotypical internet moron. You are laughable.

Didn’t say nobody would turn up. just not a crowd and as such depending on the location I’d have thought social distancing wouldn’t be a problem.

Irony alert

 

[johnmcfcagain]

Irony alert

Irony, irony they've all got it irony. No, that doesn't quite work does it?

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

I’ll get to Dante in a minute.

I think opinion on the display can be divided into 3 main groups:

1) Those who liked it
2) Those who didn’t like it, but appreciate the effort that went into it
3) Those who didn’t like it, don’t appreciate the effort that went into it, have never had anything positive to say about 1894, and never will

Negative feedback from individuals who don’t have an agenda against the group - ie: some of the people @urban genie referenced and some of the posters on this thread - aren’t an issue and fall into category 2. You’ll never please everybody and 1894 aren’t above criticism so constructive criticism will be taken on board.

However, some of those who fall into category 3 are up to something more sinister. They mainly reside on that cesspool otherwise known as Twitter, some have a large reach via podcasts and blogs, and have been part of an orchestrated smear campaign against the group for months over the Madrid display and the money that was raised for it. When I say smear campaign, I’m talking things like disgraceful allegations about where the money raised went. And because these people have a decent number of followers, it doesn’t take long for the misinformation to spread, so much so that this shit even spilled into the last home game before lockdown v West Ham. The perps know exactly who they are. Some of them may well lurk and post on this forum. Now that the penny has dropped and they’ve seen the size of the display which in turn has made them realise it cost a lot of money, some have now changed tack and said it would’ve been better to donate the money to charity due to the pandemic. I don’t know what goes through the heads of some of these people but given that the display was paid for long before a single person in this country had died of Covid-19, I’m not sure how that could be possible. In any case, fans donated money to an anti-UEFA protest. As for charity, 1894 has been donating to foodbanks for years and also made a donation just recently.

I don’t know what it is with these people. I can’t work out if it’s a jealousy thing because the group often garners a lot of publicity and can do things that make the back pages of a national newspaper or Sky Sports News (as happened with yesterday’s display), or whether it’s something else. One thing I know for sure is that they’re ungrateful bastards. Why? Well, banners, flags, and displays aren’t for everyone but since forming as an atmosphere group, 1894 has also campaigned tirelessly on various fan related issues. They’re affiliated to the FSA and were heavily involved in the TwentysPlenty campaign for cheaper away tickets. It was Dante himself who came up with the idea of a nationwide weekend of protest which took place in October 2015 and involved fan groups from every other Premier League club and some Football League clubs. Along with lobbying of the Premier League and some of their sponsors from the FSA and fan groups from Liverpool and Everton, just a few months later it was announced that Premier League away tickets would be capped at £30. So despite their shitty smear campaign of late, no doubt some of these clowns have financially benefitted due to 1894 playing a key part in securing cheaper Premier League tickets for all away fans.

I guess that’s gratitude for you!

You'll never please everyone with design, trust me, it's something I do for a living. Suddenly everyone's an expert on colours, layout and messages, people who've never designed anything professionally in their lives. For me the banner does the job, the message is there, it's honest, let's those that need to know what we are feeling as fans and is humorous. That's what we wanted, that's what we got.

Job done and glad I contributed to the fund.

 

[Dirty Harry]

I liked them a lot, especially the "Where were you when we were shit" one I've seen, so fuck em and all who sail on em.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

I liked them a lot, especially the "Where were you when we were shit" one I've seen, so fuck em and all who sail on em.

Good for a t-shirt I reckon.

 

[Dirty Harry]

Good for a t-shirt I reckon.

Thought exactly the same myself mate.