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The thing is without a gold standard for testing 30% is a bit of a guess and it probably depends a bit on who is doing the swabbing, but it probably remains positive for a while if you still have symptoms.
Do you mean antibody test? The swab test is a test for viral rna, and the blood test is a test for antibodies.

She definitely said the swab test, the original test they had was as far as they can now see giving false positives of upto 30% and i then heard her say that even the antigen test as far as they can see wasnt all that reliable.
 
WHO are now claiming that asymptomatic spread is rare.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asy...-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

This is one helluva claim, and it needs backing up. They say they've tracked asymptomatic cases and found very few cases of others being infected too. This needs more context - were these cases pre-covid being common knowledge? If so, fair enough. If not, it needs validating because the world hugely changed their actions when it became a pandemic due to social distancing etc. If so, it could be the real reason it hasn't spread much from asymptomatic cases is because people have social-distanced, not because of medical reasons.

If these asymptomatic cases didn't lead others despite them going about their usual routines (hugging family/friends, working in close contact with others, no masks etc) then that's a different thing entirely. We need to know that distinction. It doesn't add up with some other stuff we've learned too.

For example, the Amsterdam choir case. Mass spreader, during a show. 100 out of 130 or sumat got really ill, a few died. There's no way anyone's performing as normal with a respiratory based ill. Would last about 2 mins. Surely that person was asymptomatic, but still spread it? Doesn't correlate with this idea that they barely spread it. Just one example, but i'm sure there's plenty.
 
WHO are now claiming that asymptomatic spread is rare.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asy...-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

This is one helluva claim, and it needs backing up. They say they've tracked asymptomatic cases and found very few cases of others being infected too. This needs more context - were these cases pre-covid being common knowledge? If so, fair enough. If not, it needs validating because the world hugely changed their actions when it became a pandemic due to social distancing etc. If so, it could be the real reason it hasn't spread much from asymptomatic cases is because people have social-distanced, not because of medical reasons.

If these asymptomatic cases didn't lead others despite them going about their usual routines (hugging family/friends, working in close contact with others, no masks etc) then that's a different thing entirely. We need to know that distinction. It doesn't add up with some other stuff we've learned too.

For example, the Amsterdam choir case. Mass spreader, during a show. 100 out of 130 or sumat got really ill, a few died. There's no way anyone's performing as normal with a respiratory based ill. Would last about 2 mins. Surely that person was asymptomatic, but still spread it? Doesn't correlate with this idea that they barely spread it. Just one example, but i'm sure there's plenty.

It depends what they mean by rare and asymptomatic. Totally asymptomatic or asymptomatic for a while. Most people are asymptomatic for a number of days.
I for example had the mildest of mild sore throats for a day or so before the cough started 5 days later. No fever or any other symptom. I could easily have missed it and spread it all over the shop if I hadn't been looking for it.
 
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She definitely said the swab test, the original test they had was as far as they can now see giving false positives of upto 30% and i then heard her say that even the antigen test as far as they can see wasnt all that reliable.
My mistake mate sorry.
 
WHO are now claiming that asymptomatic spread is rare.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asy...-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

This is one helluva claim, and it needs backing up. They say they've tracked asymptomatic cases and found very few cases of others being infected too. This needs more context - were these cases pre-covid being common knowledge? If so, fair enough. If not, it needs validating because the world hugely changed their actions when it became a pandemic due to social distancing etc. If so, it could be the real reason it hasn't spread much from asymptomatic cases is because people have social-distanced, not because of medical reasons.

If these asymptomatic cases didn't lead others despite them going about their usual routines (hugging family/friends, working in close contact with others, no masks etc) then that's a different thing entirely. We need to know that distinction. It doesn't add up with some other stuff we've learned too.

For example, the Amsterdam choir case. Mass spreader, during a show. 100 out of 130 or sumat got really ill, a few died. There's no way anyone's performing as normal with a respiratory based ill. Would last about 2 mins. Surely that person was asymptomatic, but still spread it? Doesn't correlate with this idea that they barely spread it. Just one example, but i'm sure there's plenty.
They mean that there are less asymptomatic people than they thought,patients can have very early mild symptoms that are not that indicative of covid at that point

https://www.axios.com/who-coronavir...nts-08d84e31-1846-44d8-8fe1-2343ff850764.html
 
Oh my. The government pandemic plan...
https://assets.publishing.service.g...ads/attachment_data/file/213696/dh_133656.pdf

I actually read it AND:
1. Clearing patients from hospitals to care settings is part of the plan to make space for pandemic patients (section 6). There is just so much wrong in this section, I wanted to cry. No fucking wonder 29.1% of pandemic casualties occurred in care settings.
2. They consider face masks critical for staff but punters can fuck-off (sections 8 5-8.7)
 
Oh my. The government pandemic plan...
https://assets.publishing.service.g...ads/attachment_data/file/213696/dh_133656.pdf

I actually read it AND:
1. Clearing patients from hospitals to care settings is part of the plan to make space for pandemic patients (section 6). There is just so much wrong in this section, I wanted to cry. No fucking wonder 29.1% of pandemic casualties occurred in care settings.
2. They consider face masks critical for staff but punters can fuck-off (sections 8 5-8.7)
Just goes to show that the elderly were always intended to be collateral damage, ensuring there was enough space in hospitals for younger patients if the NHS got anywhere close to being overwhelmed.

To be honest though, the vast majority of countries made exactly the same mistake.
 
Just goes to show that the elderly were always intended to be collateral damage, ensuring there was enough space in hospitals for younger patients if the NHS got anywhere close to being overwhelmed.

To be honest though, the vast majority of countries made exactly the same mistake.
Since forever.
Beuracrates were always going to try and get NHS patients into other settings.
Where was the isolation of patients sent to care homes? Did they share this fact that isolation was required with care homes? If not why not?
As far as I can see it's the same plan across the whole western world.
 
Since forever.
Beuracrates were always going to try and get NHS patients into other settings.
Where was the isolation of patients sent to care homes? Did they share this fact that isolation was required with care homes? If not why not?
As far as I can see it's the same plan across the whole western world.
That’s why I can’t get on the bandwagon of blaming everything on the government. I know they’ve not covered themselves in glory, but not many countries have come out of this looking good. This virus continues to show how it’s got the whole world perplexed; I mean, for example, no one yet got a decent antibody test, we were promised this weeks if not months ago. No one still understands why the virus attacks people differently, why we get asymptomatic etc etc.

The Chinese have a lot to answer for, imo.
 
Since forever.
Beuracrates were always going to try and get NHS patients into other settings.
Where was the isolation of patients sent to care homes? Did they share this fact that isolation was required with care homes? If not why not?
As far as I can see it's the same plan across the whole western world.
My my wife's place to a number in from hospital, untested. They were told to isolate them for 14 days. As it happens they ended up in their rooms for over 2 months due to the Covid outbreak in the home.
 
WHO are now claiming that asymptomatic spread is rare.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asy...-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

This is one helluva claim, and it needs backing up. They say they've tracked asymptomatic cases and found very few cases of others being infected too. This needs more context - were these cases pre-covid being common knowledge? If so, fair enough. If not, it needs validating because the world hugely changed their actions when it became a pandemic due to social distancing etc. If so, it could be the real reason it hasn't spread much from asymptomatic cases is because people have social-distanced, not because of medical reasons.

If these asymptomatic cases didn't lead others despite them going about their usual routines (hugging family/friends, working in close contact with others, no masks etc) then that's a different thing entirely. We need to know that distinction. It doesn't add up with some other stuff we've learned too.

For example, the Amsterdam choir case. Mass spreader, during a show. 100 out of 130 or sumat got really ill, a few died. There's no way anyone's performing as normal with a respiratory based ill. Would last about 2 mins. Surely that person was asymptomatic, but still spread it? Doesn't correlate with this idea that they barely spread it. Just one example, but i'm sure there's plenty.


The exact wording here.

 
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