George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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Vialli98 said:
I've been out of the loop in the last couple of days. It's been mentally exhausting, these last two weeks so I've shut myself off from all forms of news. I've tried to focus on more lighthearted interests. What are the latest happenings? Any interesting or significant developments?
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Switch off the computer, close the door, switch off the lights and climb back under that duvet.

It's reet shit out there, pal...
 
Here's the President of the United States of America, doing exactly what I warned about yesterday.

Because Antifa isn't a group -- it's a trope, or a label -- Trump can apply it freely to demonize a 75 year-old man shoved to the ground by police.



Of course, there is an ACTUAL organization the poor man belongs to that belies his real focus.

 
Ban-jani said:
Well yes, I was there (not fighting on either side I was a passerby)

That’s one of many examples.

Just google “Antifa Manchester”.
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I didn't see anything in that that suggests an organisation called 'antifa' where even there.
And if this mythical group did exists and was there, good on 'em for fucking off a load of racist thugs who travelled to Manchester looking for a scrap.
 
BlueSkinz said:
Doesn't take much to be branded a Nazi these days. Plus everything right of left seems to have a 'far' in front of it. I've noticed the media doing this also. It can't be helping any cause because of the watering down effect due to it's overuse. It's almost like the shock effect of being branded a racist is being lost. Another thing, people on the left like to think everyone as one yet they are by far the worst for pigeonholing people. The whole issue is a fucking mess.
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hahaha. there's some fucking irony right there.
 
Shaelumstash said:
The word “ostracised” was used in reply to a post where he was discussing racists being ostracised on to an island.

Of course we don’t have segregated schools or universities. I actually think the UK is a whole lot better than many countries on this issue, but there is definitely room for improvement.

When Raheem Sterling posted the example of how Tosin and Phil Foden were reported on differently, do you think he imagined it?

When Andre Gray says he’s been pulled over by the police dozens of times, do you think he imagined it? Do you think Jamie Vardy gets pulled over as much?

When the Prime Minister uses phrases like “piccaninnies”, “letterboxes” and “watermelon smiles”, did we all just imagine it?

Should the people affected just accept being demeaned and dehumanised by the PM? Do they have “a chip on their shoulder” if they don’t?

The oppression that non-white people face in the UK is not segregated schools or universities etc. It’s dealing with preconceptions and being judged differently based not on how they behave, but how they look.

Just because you might not see it in your day to day life, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t go on.
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A 'like' isn't good enough for this post.
 
stonerblue said:
I didn't see anything in that that suggests an organisation called 'antifa' where even there.
And if this mythical group did exists and was there, good on 'em for fucking off a load of racist thugs who travelled to Manchester looking for a scrap.
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I think both sides are dick heads for fighting, I’m not going to take sides with the extremes but it was Antifa and just a quick google search proves they’re not mythical.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Pretty accurate tbf
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Not really the majority of the protestants in Ulster are from lowland Scottish heritage (you won't find very many Presbyterian's in England(indeed as we speak there are less than 20 congregations......in Ulster 536), indeed it signifies a real lack of understanding that there are much closer ties with Scotland than England so the term British is much more accurate. The issue is the word Britain has connotations that the Republican movement would like to not discuss.
 
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Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I agree it should have been put in a museum. But where does it end though?

pretty much every era/ period in our history people were associated with something bad. Every historical figure from the 1700s could probably be linked to the slave trade. Should every statue be removed of them?

should that be extended to others eras. Medieval for example ?? Where mass killings took place? Previous kings and queens statues? The pyramids were built by slaves.. obviously I’m using lots of different examples there

surely we should be keeping these and using them to learn and remember our history. Otherwise we’ll end deleting our history and it being forgotten.
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Actually, recent science says that the pyramids were not built by slaves.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancien...s have their own,workers, hauliers and masons).
 
DontLookBackInAnger said:
Not really the majority of the protestants in Ulster are from lowland Scottish heritage (you won't find very many Presbyterian's in England(indeed as we speak there are less than 20 congregations......in Ulster 536), indeed it signifies a real lack of understanding that there are much closer ties with Scotland than England so the term British is much more accurate. The issue is the word Britain has connotations that the Republican movement would like to not discuss.
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Thats kinda beside the point....i was agreeing with the suggestion that people tend to have a problem with "the English", rather than "the British"
 
There is no actual Antifa entity...its a movement...it has no heirarchy or structure...thats the point....it has far-left leanings and support but rather than being a left or far left movement....it should be seen as an ANTI FAR RIGHT movement....hence why its made up of various left/anarchist/antiracism/antifascist supporters.

Its about non-platforming....its supporters are largely non-violent...yes, non-violent, however the defining difference and idea of Antifa is:

"that we go where they (right-wingers) go. That hate speech is not free speech. That if you are endangering people with what you say and the actions that are behind them, then you do not have the right to do that. And so we go to cause conflict, to shut them down where they are, because we don't believe that Nazis or fascists of any stripe should have a mouthpiece"

Antifa are prepared to confront potential and actual violence with, well, violence
 
[I think it was] Chief Acevado called for a national standard of policing as there are "18,000 stations with 18,000 ways of doing things" with the problem of dealing with the Human condition.

I think he's absolutely correct and it's going to take a while to weed out the bad officers and to get things right.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Thats kinda beside the point....i was agreeing with the suggestion that people tend to have a problem with "the English", rather than "the British"
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Well not really its like disliking the Spanish because you don't like Taco's as the people who are protestant in Northern Ireland are not largely originally from England it makes no sense, this is a British problem, not an English one, people are either lazy, or disingenuous to claim otherwise
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
There is no actual Antifa entity...its a movement...it has no heirarchy or structure...thats the point....it has far-left leanings and support but rather than being a left or far left movement....it should be seen as an ANTI FAR RIGHT movement....hence why its made up of various left/anarchist/antiracism/antifascist supporters.

Its about non-platforming....its supporters are largely non-violent...yes, non-violent, however the defining difference and idea of Antifa is:

"that we go where they (right-wingers) go. That hate speech is not free speech. That if you are endangering people with what you say and the actions that are behind them, then you do not have the right to do that. And so we go to cause conflict, to shut them down where they are, because we don't believe that Nazis or fascists of any stripe should have a mouthpiece"

Antifa are prepared to confront potential and actual violence with, well, violence
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I did know all that, I’ve seen them twice in person and they made a situation worse.

Basically they’re anti fascist but don’t agree that anyone has the right to march, which is hypocritical.

“Agree with us or we’ll beat you up” should be their motto.

So yeah, they don’t help and I don’t like them.

If you won’t give freedom of speech to your worst enemy you don’t deserve it for yourself.
 
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