George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[mexico1970]

I've given this a bit of thought. I'm not sure the modern day descendants of the oppressed or the oppressors still feel the legacy of the pyramids, Romans etc. I certainly don't detect any appetite for knocking down the Colosseum, or closer to home Hadrians wall. I think the difference is that black people still feel oppressed in Western society, and can trace this oppression back to slavery. Likewise, even though well beyond living memory, white Europeans are still dealing with the guilt - perhaps the price we pay for continued societal inequality? Christians no longer feel like a persecuted minority in Rome, so the Italians don't feel guilty about their ancestors feeding them to lions - maybe not the best analogy.

A bit like ginger haired people from the Norman conquest bud.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

A bit like ginger haired people from the Norman conquest bud.

The hatred and shame lives on I'm afraid.

 

[Bigga]

We do... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Trajan,_Tower_Hill

The geezer never came to Britain either!

Why the hell is it here, then...?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You won't be saying that when yours is erected.

Yeah, because I’ll be dead!

 

[Bigga]

We’ve probably nicked a fair few. Maybe we should just give them back? PM was most upset about people defacing statues so he must be livid at the stuff we’ve looted over the last century or so. Greeks have probably slapped in another request for their return of their Marbles.

I remember something about India(??) wanting a diamond that was taken from the country for the Queen's crown, back.

I do think artefacts stolen from countries should be returned and vice versa.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

He loved his dog

It was a mongrel.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Yeah, because I’ll be dead!

I like to think presumed dead, but in reality tied up and used in some pervy blokes cellar.

 

[mrbelfry]

It was a mongrel.

Add hypocrisy to his list of crimes

Edit: Hitlers not Blondi's

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I like to think presumed dead, but in reality tied up and used in some pervy blokes cellar.

I’ve spent a whole winter in @BimboBob ’s cellar before and it wasn’t all bad. Comfortable radiators tbf.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Add hypocrisy to his list of crimes

Edit: Hitlers not Blondi's

I thought you were referring to Eva Braun.

 

[mrbelfry]

I thought you were referring to Eva Braun.

Her middle name was Paula. Don't know why but that always amuses me. Its very incongruous

 

[JRockBlues]

Another one who has perfect timing for a rant. New York's police chief demanding respect for his officers.

 

[city2]

These statues are our history whether we like them or not, where do we draw the line once we have pulled these down, do we move onto the stately homes or museum’s and disregard everything, it’s not the past we need to eradicate but the present and the future towards racism of all kinds if we are to have a better future.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

The Police are on a hiding to nothing here. Some rapper has shared a very short video on twitter of his dad getting tasrered in his home. It goes viral, he was on itv news at 10pm, Ian Wright captions the video with 'disgusting' and other journalists also sharing it - as you do on social media.

Problem is that the short video is completely without context. You have no idea from watching it what's actually happened on the events leading up to that moment. The cop who's fired the taser has already been found guilty by the court of general public. Racist, a bully, a thug, an example of the systemic racism which exists in the UK police.

People are sharing what fits their agenda and its getting pushed to a very dangerous level.

 

[kaz7]

CNN has got a video when white cops on black men filmed on the camera

Saying we are putting a choke hold on you and shot him six times with a taser,the chap died,the cop has been charged i think ,this happened recently

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

I've given this a bit of thought. I'm not sure the modern day descendants of the oppressed or the oppressors still feel the legacy of the pyramids, Romans etc. I certainly don't detect any appetite for knocking down the Colosseum, or closer to home Hadrians wall. I think the difference is that black people still feel oppressed in Western society, and can trace this oppression back to slavery. Likewise, even though well beyond living memory, white Europeans are still dealing with the guilt - perhaps the price we pay for continued societal inequality? Christians no longer feel like a persecuted minority in Rome, so the Italians don't feel guilty about their ancestors feeding them to lions - maybe not the best analogy.

That's why my point was more about how the passage of time changes views rather than those views for the people of the time becoming any less valid.

Of course the Coleseum shouldn't come down, but I bet a fair few people would have been happy to see it dropped in 90AD

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

That's why my point was more about how the passage of time changes views rather than those views for the people of the time becoming any less valid.

Of course the Coleseum shouldn't come down, but I bet a fair few people would have been happy to see it dropped in 90AD

I fear you may be the voice of reason - some outraged loon will be along to call you racist shortly.

 

[Fame Monster]

These statues are our history whether we like them or not, where do we draw the line once we have pulled these down, do we move onto the stately homes or museum’s and disregard everything, it’s not the past we need to eradicate but the present and the future towards racism of all kinds if we are to have a better future.

Almost every person with a statue before 1800 in this country was a pretty horrible person judged by today's standards. Do we pull them all down or just the ones that upset ethnic minorities?

I was in York recently and saw the Constantine statue, put in place in 1998, and wondered whether the powers that be knew about the fact he passed some of the most brutal slavery laws imaginable or did they think people might be thick skinned enough to have moved past that now that hundreds of years have gone by.

FWIW, I do sympathise with the argument that Colston should have been removed but I think some of these statue removal campaigners need to be a bit more thick-skinned and realistic about the historical context in which many of their other targets existed.

 

[Bill Walker]

That's why my point was more about how the passage of time changes views rather than those views for the people of the time becoming any less valid.

Of course the Coleseum shouldn't come down, but I bet a fair few people would have been happy to see it dropped in 90AD

Those Royal residences need demolishing. Start with Buck Palace.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Those Royal residences need demolishing. Start with Buck Palace.

Bloody colonials. your'e on the list with @Magicpole