George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[gordondaviesmoustache]

No mention of the word '****' then?

Some of the reviews call me that, yes.

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

I kind of understand why exalting people beyond reason irritates and perhaps i reacted so quickly because im conflicted as well. I dont think anyone is saying he deserved what happened to him

I know you weren't saying that, but some will try to use his past as some tool to make it seem that although he didn't deserve it he would have deserved it more than them.

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

I mean, I totally agree with you but I think it only further amplifies my point if anything.

Oh it does.

 

[BimboBob]

Mine would say “engaging and much loved chilled-out entertainer”.

I read that as Children's Entertainer.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Yep. Fucking token effort - I notice the black letters are in the minority. This is the sort of insidious racism that the protests are about.

that made me chuckle.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Some of the reviews call me that, yes.

I assumed maybe there just wasn't space on the plaque

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I read that as Children's Entertainer.

And engaging and much loved one, if you please.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

that made me chuckle.

Thank you. TBH honest I was hoping for a warning or even a small ban, but it seems the eye of Sauron is fixed on Banned Tosspot after his 'fucking shit' thread :-)

 

[bluemcr]

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Yeah, statues are wank.

You won't be saying that when yours is erected.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

some guy on CNN complaining because the NFL are bribing teams to hire black coaches. Surely the indictment is on the teams not the NFL if the NFL have to resort to that to try and drive equality? Just seemed an odd thing to have a go at them for.

 

[Ban-jani]

Oh it does.

It’s a very good point.

We talk about shit the Mongols and ancient Chinese Dynasties did with eagerness and interest but one mention of WW2 atrocities and the mood goes right down.

Even closer to home looking back at medieval times, people are far more comfortable talking about it than 20th century atrocities.

It’s only natural but it’s definitely worth thinking about.

I am going off track here so bringing back in after this post.

 

[mrbelfry]

History writing is all about timing. No writer would ever dare have a chapter in a book mentioning the unforseen benefits of Hitler (the companies and their products that we now all enjoy) but give it a few hundred years and someone will include one.

Can you imagine historians writing about the Mongol empire 50 years after it collapsed praising how well Genghis khan was able to practice military tactics killing anywhere between 30 and 80million by hand? Now we have books saying he is a fucking war god.

He loved his dog

 

[Ban-jani]

We’ve got a white woman there, on a Black Lives Matter protest, telling a black woman with an alternative view to go away.

I’m done for the day.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

It’s a very good point.

We talk about shit the Mongols and ancient Chinese Dynasties did with eagerness and interest but one mention of WW2 atrocities and the mood goes right down.

Even closer to home looking back at medieval times, people are far more comfortable talking about it than 20th century atrocities.

It’s only natural but it’s definitely worth thinking about.

I am going off track here so bringing back in after this post.

Still too close? Many of us were brought up by the WW1/2 generations so probably have too much emotional investment to be objective. A generation later probably not an issue. Tbf Bomber Harris was vilified by the 60's generation.

 

[Ban-jani]

Still too close? Many of us were brought up by the WW1/2 generations so probably have too much emotional investment to be objective. A generation later probably not an issue. Tbf Bomber Harris was vilified by the 60's generation.

Totally agree mate.

 

[Bigga]

Apologies if already posted and discussed (this thread quite rightly moves quickly)

I am all for the removal of offensive statues that were commissioned in a different time and culture.

Is the consensus that this should apply to all statues associated with slavery? Roman and Egyptian are probably the first that would spring to mind when thinking of the next most obvious abusers of slaves.

However I do also see the point from the position of the few posters above me.

Depends.

Do we have any Roman or Egyptian statues here...?

 

[Ban-jani]

Depends.

Do we have any Roman or Egyptian statues here...?

We do... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Trajan,_Tower_Hill

The geezer never came to Britain either!

 

[BobKowalski]

Depends.

Do we have any Roman or Egyptian statues here...?

We’ve probably nicked a fair few. Maybe we should just give them back? PM was most upset about people defacing statues so he must be livid at the stuff we’ve looted over the last century or so. Greeks have probably slapped in another request for their return of their Marbles.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Apologies if already posted and discussed (this thread quite rightly moves quickly)

I am all for the removal of offensive statues that were commissioned in a different time and culture.

Is the consensus that this should apply to all statues associated with slavery? Roman and Egyptian are probably the first that would spring to mind when thinking of the next most obvious abusers of slaves.

However I do also see the point from the position of the few posters above me.

I've given this a bit of thought. I'm not sure the modern day descendants of the oppressed or the oppressors still feel the legacy of the pyramids, Romans etc. I certainly don't detect any appetite for knocking down the Colosseum, or closer to home Hadrians wall. I think the difference is that black people still feel oppressed in Western society, and can trace this oppression back to slavery. Likewise, even though well beyond living memory, white Europeans are still dealing with the guilt - perhaps the price we pay for continued societal inequality? Christians no longer feel like a persecuted minority in Rome, so the Italians don't feel guilty about their ancestors feeding them to lions - maybe not the best analogy.