None of whom got knighted, especially the one who didn't exist. Anyway, just saying the idea that removing a statue wipes away history is preposterous, the stories remain if you want to read more.There are hundreds of statues dedicated to non privileged people/ things.
Greyfriars Bobby in Edinburgh?
Titanic memorial in Belfast?
Robin Hood in Nottingham?
Mary Seacole in London?
Lies, as soon as all the Hitler statues got pulled down, everyone forgot all about him. Fact.None of whom got knighted, especially the one who didn't exist. Anyway, just saying the idea that removing a statue wipes away history is preposterous, the stories remain if you want to read more.
In Iraq, they beat Saddam's statue with shoes, a massive insult.Well those WMDs were trained on Holland Park you know.
I was reminded about the fall of Iraq (and Libya) when the statue was pulled over on Bristol, a bit like the way Saddam Hussein and Gaddaffi's statues were pulled down by an oppressed local populace, although l do not recall middle aged student types jumping up and down with glee on the statues of the dictators.
I am sure those in Bristol were showing their anger in a very indirect way about the modern day slavery that exists through many places one being Libya. Or not.
I agree on telling the truth but we need to be careful that taught history isn't 'changed' to pass judgement.
The only way you can pass judgement on history is through your current morals and values which must be remembered did not apply or exist at the time. No-one is in a position to say whether something is truly right or wrong, we can only understand what happened and judge it accordingly.
Look at Ancient Egypt and the buildings built on the back of slave labour... The pyramids still stand and are regarded today as a world wonder... Should we declassify the Pyramids as a world wonder or even should Egyptians pull them down?
Most, if not all, statues these days are not dedicated to politicians/ rich elite.Sorry, meant to put 'often like knighthoods' but I am certain that when these people did what they did they weren't thinking "I'll get a statue one day for this".
Lies, as soon as all the Hitler statues got pulled down, everyone forgot all about him. Fact.
Not a good choice of words for a slogan.But they don't, that is the whole point of the protest/movement
And to do that with a tiny standing army was mightily impressive.
None of whom got knighted, especially the one who didn't exist. Anyway, just saying the idea that removing a statue wipes away history is preposterous, the stories remain if you want to read more.
Oh l thought that the old guy with the grey pony tail was barefoot out of choice but he had kindly lent his shoes out so everyone could insult the statue;)In Iraq, they beat Saddam's statue with shoes, a massive insult.
A statue of Karl Marx would be fine though.
The hammer and sickle was used to deface a Peel statue at the weekend, probably one of the greatest symbols of communist oppression.
I've already said on here that the statue of Abraham Lincoln was also defaced... The guy who abolished slavery in the US and died for doing so...
Removing statues is utterly futile and is the perfect demonstration of our 'instant fix' society. As a 'person of colour' (I hate that phrase) I find it ridiculous that this is happening. The only purpose it serves is to pander to the anger of black people by giving them a tangible display of action against that which they protested in their thousands against while also giving white people a sense of achievement by thinking they are addressing the problem 'head on'. I can tell you that both are an illusion, removing a statue will not in any way remove, reduce or iraducate rasicm, it will only make racist people more racist and angry and will probably anger people who were sympathetic to the BLM cause.
It's the ultimate act of virtue signalling and also the ultimate act in complete and utter pointless lunacy.
Even this very site has chose to get on the bandwagon and change the Bluemoon typeface to display the B, L and M of bluemoon to black.
Fuck off, whoever decided that was a good idea is deluded.
Who then used slaves to do the leg work.That has been discredited as a myth, it was the master craftsmen of the time.
L.S. Lowry in Manchester pub and Mottram.There are hundreds of statues dedicated to non privileged people/ things.
Greyfriars Bobby in Edinburgh?
Titanic memorial in Belfast?
Robin Hood in Nottingham?
Mary Seacole in London?
Not a good choice of words for a slogan.
It sounds rather one sided.
I prefer that all lives matter.
Was going to post something similar.That has been discredited as a myth, it was the master craftsmen of the time.
Not a good choice of words for a slogan.
It sounds rather one sided.
I prefer that all lives matter.
The reason I am most annoyed about the UK statues being taken down is the fact that it allows all of the closet racists and right winged loons something to moan about rather than discuss the actual issue. It's a clear own goal in that respect.
Lincoln didn't endorse in a very small way the abolition of slavery to help black people, he did it as it was the only way he thought he could save the union.
He also wasn't of the opinion of "free the slaves and give them equal rights"
He once said if he could free all slaves to save the union he would do it, and if he could keep everyone enslaved to save the union he would do it.
http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm
This still IMO doesn't diminish what happened as a result of his actions.
I have always hated slavery, I think as much as any Abolitionist.
I agree on telling the truth but we need to be careful that taught history isn't 'changed' to pass judgement.
The only way you can pass judgement on history is through your current morals and values which must be remembered did not apply or exist at the time. No-one is in a position to say whether something is truly right or wrong, we can only understand what happened and judge it accordingly.
Look at Ancient Egypt and the buildings built on the back of slave labour... The pyramids still stand and are regarded today as a world wonder... Should we declassify the Pyramids as a world wonder or even should Egyptians pull them down?