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inbetween said:
I wouldn't say it's something that has been removed from history because I know I was taught it. Ask people whether they know of the slave trade and whether it was wrong and 99% will say yes it was all wrong with the other 1% being knuckle dragging idiots or just thick.

I think what you want is to expose the British part of it but still it isn't something that was uniquely British or a product of British imperialism specifically. The slave trade was the doing of the entirety of Western Europe and then the US, first started by the Portuguese.

I've been to Barcelona and in La Rambla stands a massive statue of Christopher Columbus, remembered fondly for discovering the new world yet he also saw the new world as an import opportunity for slaves..... Should that statue be pulled down? God, even Colombia as a country was named after him, should they rename their country?

What I'm trying to say is this all seems an act of symbolism but is this now a trigger to confiscate and knock down everything that had any relation whatsoever to the slave trade or anything at all related to imperialism? A simple history lesson tells us who these people were and why we shouldn't look so nicely at their statues.

It's not a problem to me but I can see why some will see this as an undemocratic and highly politicised attempt to censure the past.
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The trade of African slaves started in Africa by black African empires.

These empires, like the Benin Empire for example, sold their slaves to the Europeans as part of the Atlantic slave trade to the Americas.

But the larger slave trade was the trade of Africans by black African empires to Asia.

Tipu Tip of the Zanzibar Empire is said to be the biggest slaver of all time. He, as one slaver, had more slaves go through his books to Asia than the entire Atlantic slave trade in the same time frame.

Yes, Great Britain was part of the trade of black African slaves. But so was every successful black African empire.

Every time a kingdom or empire in Africa like the Benin, Kaabu, Ashanti, Zanzibar, Harar... grew by invading and slaughtering neighbouring kingdoms; they took slaves. Knowing there was a lot of money to be made in selling these slaves to the Europeans and Asians, some of these African empires made it their biggest form of income to takeover more lands and take more people as slaves to sell.

While white folk should make themselves aware of the history of their countries’ and historical figures’ roles in the trade of slaves to the Americas; so too should black people recognise their own history of enslaving and selling their own people as slaves.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
So we’ve got a statue of Emmeiline Pankhurst in St Peter’s Square.

But did you all know that she was a member of the British Fascists?

And that all of the Suffragettes of the time were either members of the British Fascists and later the BUF or supporters of Fascism?

Should her statue and all suffragette commemorations and museums be taken down and closed down?
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She was never a left winger and despised communism, she viewed be tory a duty to great britain (after spending time in america) and a means to help the women get the vote.

I wanted Ellen Wilkinson to be the new statue we put up at the time, wasn't paticularry bothered about pankhurst getting much more than her blue placque
 
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urban genie said:
She was never a left winger and despised commimunism, she viewed be tory a duty to great britain (after spending time in america) and a means to help the women get the vote.

I wanted Ellen Wilkinson to be the new statue we put up at the time, wasn't paticularry bothered about pankhurst getting much more than her blue placque
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Fair play to her
 
urban genie said:
She was never a left winger and despised commimunism, she viewed be tory a duty to great britain (after spending time in america) and a means to help the women get the vote.

I wanted Ellen Wilkinson to be the new statue we put up at the time, wasn't paticularry bothered about pankhurst getting much more than her blue placque
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well to be fair, I think everyone hates commimunism.
 
When we've got a spare plinth in Albert Square can we have a statue of Bernard Manning please Mr Burnham
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Whilst not wishing to underplay that, and accepting that assaulting anyone is inexcusable, over 20000 of those assaults are described as ‘assaults without injury on a constable.’
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Yes it could be someine just shouting abuse or pushing a copper away and marked down.

Will depend on the force, I could easily see west midlands or south yorkshire arresting you for looking at some of them the wrong way
 
Ban-jani said:
Fair play to her
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Don't worry ban they still love you

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Psychedelic Casual said:
The trade of African slaves started in Africa by black African empires.

These empires, like the Benin Empire for example, sold their slaves to the Europeans as part of the Atlantic slave trade to the Americas.

But the larger slave trade was the trade of Africans by black African empires to Asia.

Tipu Tip of the Zanzibar Empire is said to be the biggest slaver of all time. He, as one slaver, had more slaves go through his books to Asia than the entire Atlantic slave trade in the same time frame.

Yes, Great Britain was part of the trade of black African slaves. But so was every successful black African empire.

Every time a kingdom or empire in Africa like the Benin, Kaabu, Ashanti, Zanzibar, Harar... grew by invading and slaughtering neighbouring kingdoms; they took slaves. Knowing there was a lot of money to be made in selling these slaves to the Europeans and Asians, some of these African empires made it their biggest form of income to takeover more lands and take more people as slaves to sell.

While white folk should make themselves aware of the history of their countries’ and historical figures’ roles in the trade of slaves to the Americas; so too should black people recognise their own history of enslaving and selling their own people as slaves.
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And all this because we threw a statue in the River Avon. That one act has been the single, biggest teaching moment on the history of slavery and our role in it.

It has also launched the most intensive internet search ever for ‘incidents of slavery where the British cannot be blamed’.

Can’t wait until we get a detailed history of the Aztecs.
 
Back on topic NYPD police union tweeted this last night.




People wonder why they are getting caught up in Seattles isues and hinting at civil war/revolution.

They also threatening to sue any protester they arrest
 
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BobKowalski said:
And all this because we threw a statue in the River Avon. That one act has been the single, biggest teaching moment on the history of slavery and our role in it.

It has also launched the most intensive internet search ever for ‘incidents of slavery where the British cannot be blamed’.
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I think it’s wrong to characterise our role in slavery as being an entirely malign one, as your post appears to be suggesting. In relative terms, during the 19th century, our deeds and actions were broadly positive and proactive.
 
Ban-jani said:
Not when he’s done it consistently throughout his career no.

And Shapiro hasn’t been consistently racist towards a particular set of people and doesn’t want to be President.

Corbyn’s comments are also worse, which is the main thing and he wanted to be PM!

The hypocrisy is on your side Russ. Johnson’s past controversial comments are dragged up every day on here by the staunch Labour supporters but then they’ll defend Corbyn’s to the death.

I didn’t vote for either so am able to criticise both.

I get the feeling you’re angry and I can appreciate that, with socialism no longer having a chance for probably at least the next decade but don’t take it out on me.
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Shapiro is one of the biggest right wing fruitcakes out there. But its ok for him is it.

Like I said you are a hypocrite if you defend Shapiro
 
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