UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[blueparrot]

I have high confidence that a) they won't be buying any big money players before they KNOW the decision b) if they do buy any big money players before we KNOW the decision, they KNOW they have won (ie will have certainty not just confidence).

Statement of the obvious perhaps but I don't expect any buys before the decision is announced.

I don't expect any tranfers before the leagues are finished anyway, maybe even the c/l games will need to be finished before those involved get any transfers done.

 

[slbsn]

Is that what you think, or what you KNOW?

"High confidence" is clearly distinguished from KNOWLEDGE.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

"High confidence" is clearly distinguished from KNOWLEDGE.

Not sure that’s correct. They aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

 

[slbsn]

I don't expect any tranfers before the leagues are finished anyway, maybe even the c/l games will need to be finished before those involved get any transfers done.

Unfortunately as we know from Werner some big deals are well under way. City can't realistically compete for Havertz if others move decisively without clearance on CL situation.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Unfortunately as we know from Werner some big deals are well under way. City can't realistically compete for Havertz if others move decisively without clearance on CL situation.

Yet the rags continue to be linked with everyone without knowing whether they will be in EL or CL or even miss out totally

 

[Bill]

Unfortunately as we know from Werner some big deals are well under way. City can't realistically compete for Havertz if others move decisively without clearance on CL situation.

which is UEFA's plan even if we win.

 

[slbsn]

Not sure that’s correct. They aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

Are we really going to have some pedantic debate? High confidence of the outcome is not certainty. Knowledge of the outcome is certainty. Thats the mutually exclusive distinction and I think its pretty obvious.

In any event, let me try again. In my opinion (and I have high confidence that this is true), City won't do anything until they are 100% sure of the outcome. If they make moves, therefore, they are 100% sure of the outcome.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Are we really going to have some pedantic debate. High confidence of the outcome is not certainty. Knowledge of the outcome is certainty. Thats the mutually exclusive distinction and I think its pretty obvious.

In any event, let me try again. In my opinion (and I have high confidence that this is true), City won't do anything until they are 100% sure of the outcome. If they make moves, therefore, they are 100% sure of the outcome.

Yeah, my post wasn’t remotely serious. I wouldn’t waste too much emotional energy on it, mate.

 

[slbsn]

Yet the rags continue to be linked with everyone without knowing whether they will be in EL or CL or even miss out totally

a) they haven't done the deals b) their financial situation is not the same as ours c) you'd expect them to buy big even if they miss CL as they will sense an opportunity to bridge the gap with Spurs, City and Liverpool absent from the market.

 

[mcfc1632]

Just on the consideration that any movement by CITY in the transfer market could be tell-tale...……...

Of course it follows that the significant loss of income would severely dent the pot available - but would it totally constrain our ability to bring in top players?

If not - would there not be sense in getting in quality players anyway on 5 year deals early to ensure that, in the event that we are banned, we remain competitive.

I know that people think that the top players will not come unless it is confirmed that we will be in the CL and therefore we need to be able to give assurances - but I just wonder how true that is ?? Agents and players seem to be predominantly driven by the size of the fees and salary

Maybe players and agents have a greater set of priorities and values than I credit them with

 

[slbsn]

Yeah, my post wasn’t remotely serious. I wouldn’t waste too much emotional energy on it, mate.

hard to tell. no energy expended aside from my typing fingers

 

[The Future is Blue]

which is UEFA's plan even if we win.

Spot on Bill...Even if we are cleared at CAS the cartel have done their job with the damage to the brand and disruption of our recruitment. This is like the grand national with many more hurdles to overcome!

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

it's Txiki's job to turn heads months in advance so I'm not worried on genuine targets.

 

[slbsn]

Spot on Bill...Even if we are cleared at CAS the cartel have done their job with the damage to the brand and disruption of our recruitment. This is like the grand national with many more hurdles to overcome!

I would have thought City would have pressed a similar point on the 2014 settlement. If as UEFA must now argue the 2014 settlement did not close the book on those periods, what exactly were the very real sanctions for ie what did City actually get in exchange for its 2014 settlement? This is at the heart of the double jeopardy/finality of settlement argument. City have suffered the disruption, sanctions, limits on spending, limits on squad already for alleged breaches in the 2012-2014 period and the monitored 2014-2016 period.

 

[Nellies left peg]

I'm waiting excitedly for the news that UEFA have charged the dippers for whatever was the big secret bombshell shit storm on the thread, but I should probably not hold my breath

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

which is UEFA's plan even if we win.

If we've been cleared it would be piss funny to let the cat our of the bag early by announcing a couple of mega star signings. It would boil piss across the continent.

 

[John Wayne]

Spot on Bill...Even if we are cleared at CAS the cartel have done their job with the damage to the brand and disruption of our recruitment. This is like the grand national with many more hurdles to overcome!

I'm not sure our recruitment has been so severely disrupted. There hasn't been a transfer window since UEFA's verdict and there won't be one before the CAS verdict.

Reputational damage is also short-lived in football, particularly if we get our way. The Silver Lake investment is a good example. The timing of that investment appears exceptionally risky. Given the scale of it, due diligence would have unquestionably explored the matter of our FFP investigation but it nevertheless happened.

 

[M18CTID]

That’s how I interpreted it too, tbh. Wouldn’t read too much into that statement.

I agree. I would add though that elsewhere in the statement it throws up a possible clue as to the strength of our case when referencing “expert witnesses in various countries”. Now we don’t know whether that’s referring to us, UEFA, or even both, but if it does refer to City then as others have said it perhaps means Abu Dhabi with Etihad getting involved directly to present evidence. One would hope that that is the case because I don’t think waving our audited accounts around for the best part of 3 days via video link will be enough!

 

[The Future is Blue]

I'm not sure our recruitment has been so severely disrupted. There hasn't been a transfer window since UEFA's verdict and there won't be one before the CAS verdict.

Reputational damage is also short-lived in football, particularly if we get our way. The Silver Lake investment is a good example. The timing of that investment appears exceptionally risky. Given the scale of it, due diligence would have unquestionably explored the matter of our FFP investigation but it nevertheless happened.

My main point really in all of this is that the cartel clubs and their mouthpiece UEFA will not stop until they have done what they set out to do once we had more money than them in 2008. The goalposts will continue to move until they become corner flags!

 

[Sir peace frog]

Let us all just wait and see what CAS has to say. I don't think that CAS will be that stupid as to allow leaks to come from them.

What I do expect is that both Man. City and UEFA will get the verdict before it is released to the media. Maybe the day before and be told to keep it under raps

Manchester city, if you dont mind