George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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The notion that George Floyd’s needless and tragic death would see positive changes in society has all but been lost now.

The social media cancel culture mob are turning ordinary people against what the movement should be about.

And now it’s getting political and the left are losing yet again, you would have thought that the last few years would have made them realise that telling normal decent people they are bad people because they don’t conform to their views is not going to gain them power or change the world for the better.

Society is not going to progress at the rate normal decent people would like if everyone is angry all the time forming group after group to fight each other.

Everything is extreme, there is no centre point anymore.

I’m sure if you would ask the Bristol public whether that statue of Edward Colston should still stand or be consigned to a museum and there was a proper debate over it, the answer would have been no and it would have been removed correctly. Instead it is torn down in an anarchist way that antagonises normal people.

Why can’t people discuss things in the correct manner? We all have names, culture, family history, talents and most importantly opinions. It seems that everything that is going on at the moment is designed to make us the same in the name of “equality”.

You read the newspapers, watch the news, scroll through tweets, get tagged in a Facebook post and everything is designed to recruit you and brainwash you to what they believe in. Everybody is trying to be that one person that can change the world which is impossible to achieve which in turn creates anger that “society isn’t doing enough so we must press harder”.

There will always be racism, just like there will always be murders, corruption, favouritism, bullying and any of the hundreds of examples I could have listed that don’t shine a good light on humans. You cannot eradicate any of them, they are part of the human DNA. It just seems that it’s a never ending “battle” with the delusion that it will be won. If a racist abuses a black player at a Premier League game, that does not mean that football in England has a racism problem, it just means that a racist is a football fan and he should be dealt with in the correct manner which luckily we now deal with in the correct manner, ban for life.

History exists to educate people as well. There was a post on here earlier today which was a good opinion in that black history is not celebrated enough. I agree with this, the way black history is portrayed is negative with undertones of bitterness. How far do we go back in history to a point where the demographic you belong to was suppressed against? We cannot change history, we can only change the future.

Why? So far in the US it has prompted some quite big changes and a majority of white Americans are now polled at believing the police target Blacks unjustly. Isn’t that quite a significant shift?
 
Why? So far in the US it has prompted some quite big changes and a majority of white Americans are now polled at believing the police target Blacks unjustly. Isn’t that quite a significant shift?

What changes are those?

Polls in my opinion should never be used as an indicator of change when they poll a small amount out of a country of 300m.
 
When ISIS destroyed Palmyra because it did not conform to their beliefs and was found to be offensive, the world was quite rightly angry, upset and saddened. We now see a group of self proclaimed keepers of all things right and proper calling for the destruction of historical artifacts because they have deemed them to be offensive. Sorry, I am not offended, I do not agree with some of the things that were done by these people but for a minority to decide what I should or not see is totally unacceptable. This has gone beyond the terrible issue of racism into the area of mob rule by threat. What is next Kristallnacht for those shops deemed unacceptable to a few self proclaimed leaders?
 
What changes are those?

Polls in my opinion should never be used as an indicator of change when they poll a small amount out of a country of 300m.

I think Minneapolis pledging to disband its police dept was an interesting step. The extreme police reaction to the protests about police brutality has driven the increase in support for reform following the Floyd murder. It’s certainly highlighted the militarisation of the American police. NASCAR prohibiting the Confederate flag was symbolic but significant considering its fan base.

It will be interesting to see how this continues to develop and Polls are accurate barometers of opinion.
 
I think Minneapolis pledging to disband its police dept was an interesting step. The extreme police reaction to the protests about police brutality has driven the increase in support for reform following the Floyd murder. It’s certainly highlighted the militarisation of the American police. NASCAR prohibiting the Confederate flag was symbolic but significant considering its fan base.

It will be interesting to see how this continues to develop and Polls are accurate barometers of opinion.

All I see is pledging and highlighting though? I am a British citizen in my thirties and I knew about the police brutality in America. I’m currently watching Trial by Media on Netflix and it highlights it again on there especially in the case of Amadou Diablo. The flag I agree on is a positive change but worth all the carnage?

What positive effect has George Floyds death had on the UK?
 
No, they can write to her if they want. I strongly disagree with their opinion though that she should fall in line because she's an ethnic minority.

Patel’s issue is not her ethnicity but her lack of empathy. Her ethnicity may make her lack of empathy disappointing when it comes to race relations, but her tone death approach is not surprising. She is after all still overseeing the same policies that led to the Windrush scandal and has done little to ensure compensation has been paid to its victims.

In a cabinet full of second rate, toadying chancers she is close to being the worse of the lot. It is also interesting that the approach of the Chancellor was far more nuanced than Patel’s.
 
All I see is pledging and highlighting though? I am a British citizen in my thirties and I knew about the police brutality in America. I’m currently watching Trial by Media on Netflix and it highlights it again on there especially in the case of Amadou Diablo. The flag I agree on is a positive change but worth all the carnage?

What positive effect has George Floyds death had on the UK?

Firstly what carnage? And secondly what positive change do you intend to push for?
 
Firstly what carnage? And secondly what positive change do you intend to push for?

20+ deaths, thousands injured, small business owners bankrupt, city’s trashed and burnt, families divided, vitriol in the media and on social media. All for a flag?

The only positive change I intend to push for is to treat those who I come into contact with whether family, friend, work colleague or stranger with the respect they deserve as I would want to be treated, the world would be such a better place if everyone tried to influence their own inner circles rather than the hopeless task of the world trying to change the world.
 
Patel’s issue is not her ethnicity but her lack of empathy. Her ethnicity may make her lack of empathy disappointing when it comes to race relations, but her tone death approach is not surprising. She is after all still overseeing the same policies that led to the Windrush scandal and has done little to ensure compensation has been paid to its victims.

In a cabinet full of second rate, toadying chancers she is close to being the worse of the lot. It is also interesting that the approach of the Chancellor was far more nuanced than Patel’s.

I don't think condemning the protests shows a lack of empathy. It just means the empathy is directed towards those who are trying to survive the pandemic rather than the ones worsening it. Obviously there's a debate about whether a lot more empathy could have been shown a bit earlier but that's for another thread.
 
Whats now happened is a bunch of predominately white people, in supporting that movement, have taken it upon themselves to push it towards the censorship or eradication of anything they believe to be offensive to those people. The thing is though, all that has done is angered the very people the BLM movement is pleading to in the first place. Any initial sympathy is then drowned out in anger at the idea it’s then turned into an attack on their culture and ultimately for no benefit to anyone.

It's always been white middle class people telling the rest of society what we should and shouldn't do or say as far as race relations go.
Some of the things they peddle actually causes more divide & mistrust.
Let's listen,talk and work with ethnic minority groups instead, you know, the very people who live with racism on a daily basis
 


They're going after Patel now.

The patronising and racist belief that all ethnic minorities should share the same opinion.


That is a standard letter that fly across the house towards cabinet ministers all the time when a statement is made and opposition groups disagree on a certain subject

They don't silence her or tell he she cannot speak, they ask her to reflect on her comments and lack of empathy.

If she was silenced she wouldn't have been able to tweet the letter.
 
When ISIS destroyed Palmyra because it did not conform to their beliefs and was found to be offensive, the world was quite rightly angry, upset and saddened. We now see a group of self proclaimed keepers of all things right and proper calling for the destruction of historical artifacts because they have deemed them to be offensive. Sorry, I am not offended, I do not agree with some of the things that were done by these people but for a minority to decide what I should or not see is totally unacceptable. This has gone beyond the terrible issue of racism into the area of mob rule by threat. What is next Kristallnacht for those shops deemed unacceptable to a few self proclaimed leaders?


They desteoyed palmyra because iconography is not permitted, same as when cromwell and the roundheads smashed up catholic churches and destroyed staues, windows and altars.


Removing (not destroying ) statues that no longer serve a valid function and placing them in museums as has been suggested in the main is not the same.

ISIS would have no statues allowed and all destroyed, this present movement would like ones celebrating a dark past to be removed.

I agree with some going and disagree about others, but I welcome the debate and feflection about our past and how we decide to remember it.
 
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