Another new Brexit thread

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Churchlawtonblue said:
Its interesting isnt it. Although its a very high stakes game , all negotiations with a lot at stake are like a game of poker. Neither wants to budge and give ground. The interesting stance by the EU is that they are trying to tie us to some of their rules which will undoubtedly handicap us as an independent nation. The question that those who take the EUs stance in this continued debate on here should ask themselves is why is the EU demanding this from an independent nation. There can only be one answer and that is they fear that the UK would prosper and that would lead to other states leaving their social and political experiment.
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I'm sure we would prosper if we had all the benefits with none of the obligations of membership. Do you still expect both?
 
Vic said:
Just enough for a persistent majority who thinks (still) we are making a mistake by leaving. They're still lying about it - someone on the radio this morning claiming polls show a majority against extending. That's not true but then he may have been looking selectively at the poll in which there was a majority for conflicting options...

Democracy, eh?
  • More people agreed (44%) than disagreed (24%) that “it is important for the UK to stick to our agreed scheduled transition period.”
  • More people agreed (38%) than disagreed (28%) that “extending the transition period is in the interest of the UK.”
  • More people agreed (40%) than disagreed (27%) that “it would be embarrassing for the UK to extend the transition period with the EU into 2021”
  • More people agreed (35%) than disagreed (26%) that “extending the transition period would result in a better outcome for the UK.”
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Like I said Vic. The people are own grown ups of voting age and made their choices consistently at the ballot box. Remainers warned us clearly that a vote for the Tories was a vote for hard brexit/no deal and the country elected them by a landslide. Difficult to package that fact in any other way, and I say that as someone that has never voted tory.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
But that's OK, because he's not actually lying until it's happened, and thankfully the public were able to make an informed decision having been warned adequately and in no uncertain terms of the downside to leaving by remain campaigners throughout. What you are actually upset about is that the remain view did not gain enough traction to prevail.
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Of course he wasn't lying. But he's now adopting a policy that means what he predicted about the damage will come true. If he now denies there will be damage either he was lying then or he's lying now.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Most definitely, the EU just cannot afford a no deal situation with the trade implications and the loss of the divorce settlement. Next month the EU paymasters the Germans take control of the EU presidency, it wouldnt surprise me if the impasse is moved aside then. Anyway its a lovely day, my hangover has cleared so its about time I moved into the garden.
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Loss of the divorce settlement? Are you suggesting we now break the law? (UK law)
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Like I said Vic. The people are own grown ups of voting age and made their choices consistently at the ballot box. Remainers warned us clearly that a vote for the Tories was a vote for hard brexit/no deal and the country elected them by a landslide. Difficult to package that fact in any other way, and I say that as someone that has never voted tory.
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Usual reminder. Landslide on a minority of votes cast.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
They have granted a six month tariff free extension to imported goods to cushion the blow of brexit on UK businesses that rely on imported parts/supplies. The EU are whacking on the tariffs from day one - yet it's the UK being 'difficult' :-)
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Is this for real? UK insists on ending transition without a deal, the EU is ready and the UK isn't, and this is somehow the EU's fault?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Spot on. Nobody seriously thought the political declaration was binding or the ERG lot would have kicked off.it was a sticking plaster to get leaving through parliament and the EU. The terms of the Pd were as bad or worse than May's brino deal. The current unease is not caused by a change in our govt policy, but by the penny dropping that there isn't going to be an opportunity to kick the can of brexit down the road far enough to get rid of this govt and put a remain one in place. What we are getting now is exactly what the public voted for in December.
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Absolutely spot on

Reality is starting to bite and those that thought games could be played until another GE could be used to stop Brexit are starting to sulk

We need to put distance - in time and experience of being independent between the UK and the EU to ensure that there is no appetite for EU membership to be a feature of the next GE

The UK is just so lucky that there will not be another GE for over 3 years
 
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Vic said:
Is this for real? UK insists on ending transition without a deal, the EU is ready and the UK isn't, and this is somehow the EU's fault?
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The UK insists on ending transition when the EU said/agreed it should end. The separate issue of ending up with no deal is a failure of BOTH the EU and UK to find agreement. No deal has always been on the zards in this scenario - as told to us constantly by Remainers and theresa May. Not sure why it's suddenly such a shock.
 
joe123 said:
I think the EU might have taken the political declaration seriously. Walking back on it isn't going to be ideal to get what we want in a trade deal. On the one hand, I would say they government knows this and will blame the EU for the inevitable no deal. However, our complete lack of no deal planning suggests we're arrogant enough to think we'll get what we want. Either way, the circus in charge give absolutely no grounds for optimism and I'd be absolutely amazed if anyone genuinely had confidence in them to do well by us.
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Planning for a No-Deal outcome should have been a priority from July 2016 - but we were led by Remainers that were subservient to the EU

May and Robbins have a lot to answer for - they have done so much damage to the UK - because it was always true that:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
.........….What you are actually upset about is that the remain view did not gain enough traction to prevail.
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It really is that simple - after 4 years of playing games and being confident that Brexit would get overturned - Reality has bitten and they are finding it a bit much to handle

I feel an urge to post that clip of the lip-quivering Remainer girl
 
mcfc1632 said:
Absolutely spot on

Reality is starting to bite and those that thought games could be played until another GE cold be used to stop Brexit are starting to sulk

We need to put distance - in time and experience of being independent between the UK and the EU to ensure that there is no appetite for EU membership to be a feature of the next GE

The UK is just so lucky that there will not be another GE for over 3 years
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By the UK you mean the minority who still want Brexit. The UK economy is very unlucky.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
The UK insists on ending transition when the EU said/agreed it should end. The separate issue of ending up with no deal is a failure of BOTH the EU and UK to find agreement. No deal has always been on the zards in this scenario - as told to us constantly by Remainers and theresa May. Not sure why it's suddenly such a shock.
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So why is the UK delaying charging tariffs?

I'm genuinely baffled by what you're saying.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
The voters had a referendum two GE's and a European election to make their feelings known, and they did. In hindsight maybe calling people or their opinions stupid for four years is not the best way to win them over and change their minds? There seems to be evidence to support this.
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You are full of inconvenient truths today
 
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