Keir Starmer

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Did they actually drive her out for being Jewish, or was she facing deselection for other reasons and happened to be Jewish too? A subtle but important distinction. My understanding is that her stance on Brexit and Corbyn was at odds with the party membership in the safe seat she'd been parachuted into.

Nice try. The Labour membership is 80% remain. She was driven out because she was Jewish and from the moderate wing of the party - two things the marxists can't stand, they are not overly bothered about brexit (Momentum is pro EU). The hard left cliques that exist in some CLP groups are not representative of the membership at all.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Nice try. The Labour membership is 80% remain. She was driven out because she was Jewish and from the moderate wing of the party - two things the marxists can't stand, they are not overly bothered about brexit (Momentum is pro EU). The hard left cliques that exist in some CLP groups are not representative of the membership at all.

I agree she was bullied/driven out by Marxists because she was a moderate /centrist. Nice try btw at imposing the national labour attitude to Brexit upon her constituency ;-) In short I agree with her being treated unacceptably by the hard left, but where I disagree is that this was because of political differences and not her faith. As a remain supporting centrist she would have received the same treatment regardless of religion.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

My understanding is that came into it, her views were at odds with the leadership and the hordes of new members on the left but the rabid mob intensified in trying to deselect her because she called out Corbyn for sitting on his arse during the antisemitism crisis in the party.

Despite the fact they didn’t get on and despite the fact she was critical of him, he had the responsibility to support one of his MPs, who was facing disgusting racial abuse and threats in his name and he didn’t even pick up the phone to her.

See previous. Agree she was unsupported by the leadership and bullied by the membership. I personally think this has more to do with her trying to destroy corbyn and being at odds politically with her local party than her faith.

 

[Ban-jani]

See previous. Agree she was unsupported by the leadership and bullied by the membership. I personally think this has more to do with her trying to destroy corbyn and being at odds politically with her local party than her faith.

It definitely started as that, from what I’ve read mate, but then she started receiving horrendous antisemitic abuse and death threats by a small minority of Corbyn’s support because of it, which she read out in parliament and that obviously exasperated the situation from being a political disagreement to something much more serious.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

It definitely started as that, from what I’ve read mate, but then she started receiving horrendous antisemitic abuse and death threats by a small minority of Corbyn’s support because of it, which she read out in parliament and that obviously exasperated the situation from being a political disagreement to something much more serious.

Yep, this is where it gets difficult - I can't defend/condone that.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

My understanding is that came into it, her views were at odds with the leadership and the hordes of new members on the left but the rabid mob intensified in trying to deselect her because she called out Corbyn for sitting on his arse during the antisemitism crisis in the party.

Despite the fact they didn’t get on and despite the fact she was critical of him, he had the responsibility to support one of his MPs, who was facing disgusting racial abuse and threats in his name and he didn’t even pick up the phone to her.

Agree - and this brings us back round to what Starmer is doing now. Its well overdue that a Political leader addresses the fringe / unacceptable elements within a party (both tories and labour have their issues).

 

[Ban-jani]

Agree - and this brings us back round to what Starmer is doing now. Its well overdue that a Political leader addresses the fringe / unacceptable elements within a party (both tories and labour have their issues).

I really like Starmer as an individual but I just can’t stand the conveyor belt of scum that’s in that party.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I really like Starmer as an individual but I just can’t stand the conveyor belt of scum that’s in that party.

Its all relative. Our current government is comprised of tory scum, happy to let children go hungry over the summer up until enough people are outraged. We all know that there preference is to let them go hungry - they just couldn't get away with it. With that shit shower in government calling the Labour party a conveyor belt of scum sounds pretty hollow.

 

[Ban-jani]

Its all relative. Our current government is comprised of tory scum, happy to let children go hungry over the summer up until enough people are outraged. We all know that there preference is to let them go hungry - they just couldn't get away with it. With that shit shower in government calling the Labour party a conveyor belt of scum sounds pretty hollow.

That’s pure whataboutism mate.

I didn’t vote Tory and we’re in a Labour thread.

 

[Vic]

Headed that way ever since labour became a party run by lawyers rather than trade unionists. Being a Labour party MP is just a convenient route to power now for lawyers that don't want to lose their guardian reading credentials by joint the ConsMotervatives, and are too ambitious/power hungry to go lib dem.

So - more trade union reps on the Labour benches than lawyers. More than either come from the voluntary sector (only 5 Tories have worked for charities...) More Labour still from local government background. Bulk of Tories from "business" but their next single highest category of background is "legal profession".

So you're posting crap again. I know - don't care, and not honest.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

So - more trade union reps on the Labour benches than lawyers. More than either come from the voluntary sector (only 5 Tories have worked for charities...) More Labour still from local government background. Bulk of Tories from "business" but their next single highest category of background is "legal profession".

So you're posting crap again. I know - don't care, and not honest.

Anal beads stuck again mate?

 

[M18CTID]

That’s pure whataboutism mate.

I didn’t vote Tory and we’re in a Labour thread.

Yep. I didn’t vote for any of them at the last GE, and haven’t voted for either of the main parties for a decade. I’ve made the point that you kind of expect the Tories to behave like cunts whereas IMO you never used to with Labour, but the days of holding them up as some kind of beacon of light against the Tories are long gone. Hopefully Starmer can sort out a lot of the issues within the party and they can make themselves attractive to millions of traditional Labour voters again.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Yep. I didn’t vote for any of them at the last GE, and haven’t voted for either of the main parties for a decade. I’ve made the point that you kind of expect the Tories to behave like cunts whereas IMO you never used to with Labour, but the days of holding them up as some kind of beacon of light against the Tories are long gone. Hopefully Starmer can sort out a lot of the issues within the party and they can make themselves attractive to millions of traditional Labour voters again.

To be clear - I called out Corbyn as much as anyone. However on balance Labour is made up of decent people (circa 500k members) - some might be a bit wacky and on the fringe there are nutters as with any party. The Corbyn years emboldened the nutters as he was their leader but they were never great in numbers - a few hundred aresholes on facebook/twitter did a lot of damage (many already suspended / expelled by the party even with JC dragging his feet). I've no doubt Labour is on its way back.

The tories on the other hand have no shortage of arseholes in the ranks and they promote them all the way up to MPs and cabinet members. There is zero sign of any attempt to reform themselves. The nasty party is back and unrepentant.

 

[blueinsa]

1.7 Million leave votes lost at the last GE!

 

[mat]

http://flintshire.org.uk/index.php/labour-party-report

Here's the report for everyone to read properly rather than quote what very few media organisations have published.

Sir Keir has lined up some sacrificial lambs now to try and appease members that ironically have been suspended for demanding it's release. Sadly the big boys in the whole shenanigans are deemed immune from any action.

 

[mat]

 

[mat]

You have a talent for finding the best cartoons for the occasion.

 

[adrianr]

Could they not find the pictures of 'several' people so just used the same picture twice?

 

[Rascal]

I really like Starmer as an individual but I just can’t stand the conveyor belt of scum that’s in that party.

And I think Starmer is the wrong man for the job because he is not a socialist and is pro EU and as much as you bang on and on about Labour being full of scum, you are tarring half a million people with a very broad brush and it is as dreadful as any abuse handed out to the backstabbers. You are tarring me as scum.

What do you not understand about the PLP going against the membership? Any MP that did so deserved to be ousted, some went about it the wrong way and I don't condone that but if those in the PLP don't believe in democracy they have no place in the Labour party. Her husband is also friends with fat Tom the traitor as well as working for that shit stirring piece of shit paper the Guardian.

She was part of the cabal of cunts who have helped enable the UK to have the worst PM and government in living memory.

Maybe if you had read the report you claimed to have read you might see things differently, You might see it through the eyes of people like me who spent time and energy campaigning for a Labour Government rather than sitting on here pontificating about scum.

 

[inbetween]

And I think Starmer is the wrong man for the job because he is not a socialist and is pro EU and as much as you bang on and on about Labour being full of scum, you are tarring half a million people with a very broad brush and it is as dreadful as any abuse handed out to the backstabbers. You are tarring me as scum.

What do you not understand about the PLP going against the membership? Any MP that did so deserved to be ousted, some went about it the wrong way and I don't condone that but if those in the PLP don't believe in democracy they have no place in the Labour party. Her husband is also friends with fat Tom the traitor as well as working for that shit stirring piece of shit paper the Guardian.

She was part of the cabal of cunts who have helped enable the UK to have the worst PM and government in living memory.

Maybe if you had read the report you claimed to have read you might see things differently, You might see it through the eyes of people like me who spent time and energy campaigning for a Labour Government rather than sitting on here pontificating about scum.

This is why Starmer is the right man.

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