Keir Starmer

Tb1981 said:
It’s like the old we do want to leave the Eu but we want to keep freedom of movement, common market and European court of justice
But honestly we will leave!
Labour just can’t give itself a break
Just keep self harming
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And on and on it goes, they just can't help themselves, and cling to the policies
that's just seen them massacred.
 
Gaudion M said:
As i keep saying this is not in the slightest bit true. This is from back in March and shows the same trends are still persistent. Old less educated people want out, younger more qualified people want to rejoin. Every age group below 44 the majority want to rejoin and 73% of Labour voters want to rejoin. And that is before the shit hits the fan, BJ is walking us into an economic disaster. Backing him now in any form would be political suicide for Labour.



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-rejoin-eu-younger-older-divide-a9384661.html
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Yet as soon as they all get to the ballot box a lot of them quite clearly change their minds.

Every poll has remain as a clear winner but actual votes and results simply do not reflect these polls im afraid.

73% of Labour voters? 1.7 Million of us deserted the party in December last year over brexit and the red wall collapsed.
 
Gaudion M said:
As i keep saying this is not in the slightest bit true. This is from back in March and shows the same trends are still persistent. Old less educated people want out, younger more qualified people want to rejoin. Every age group below 44 the majority want to rejoin and 73% of Labour voters want to rejoin. And that is before the shit hits the fan, BJ is walking us into an economic disaster. Backing him now in any form would be political suicide for Labour.



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-rejoin-eu-younger-older-divide-a9384661.html
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A) it’s not about returning to Europe, it’s about being out of it but allowing FOM, which is the worst policy relating to Europe I’ve ever heard, as a remainer I’d rather leave with no deal.

B) the independent are the most pro remain paper out there, polling is rarely that accurate and enough leavers won’t die before 2024.

C) Starmer was making progress with people by being selective in his opposition to government, rejecting everything will just piss people off and make him look bitter.

D) Johnson’s economic disaster is a result of the spineless git listening to Labour and the left, their fucking hysterical reaction to Covid-19 and demands of authoritarian governance, and Johnson’s pitiful capitulation, is why we’re in this economic mess, the left now can’t use that as a weapon, it’s partly their fault.
 
Gaudion M said:
As i keep saying this is not in the slightest bit true. This is from back in March and shows the same trends are still persistent. Old less educated people want out, younger more qualified people want to rejoin. Every age group below 44 the majority want to rejoin and 73% of Labour voters want to rejoin. And that is before the shit hits the fan, BJ is walking us into an economic disaster. Backing him now in any form would be political suicide for Labour.



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-rejoin-eu-younger-older-divide-a9384661.html
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All that was said prior to the referendum, prior to the MEP, prior the GE, and before the last GE.
Each and every one was lost. Backing these facts now would help Labour, as those that
created the above have just given them the finger, and it's a
certainty that, in 5 years, when reminded of this, Labour will be battered again, because
their leader refuses to accept what they voted for.

There is also the point that you'll never win anything with kids.
 
blueinsa said:
Yet as soon as they all get to the ballot box a lot of them quite clearly change their minds.

Every poll has remain as a clear winner but actual votes and results simply do not reflect these polls im afraid.

73% of Labour voters? 1.7 Million of us deserted the party in December last year over brexit and the red wall collapsed.
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But we are all old and uneducated!
Also what about the young and uneducated?
Aren’t those the people labour and remainers want to protect the most????
Me thinks It’s the middle class who can’t accept the lower class uneducated mob have won the referendum and normally they just ignore them anyway but on this occasion can’t
It would also be valid to point out a lot more younger people now have degrees (while working in call centres) than older generations , this does not make them better, more intelligent or more useful but can lead to them being more entitled!
 
blueinsa said:
1.7 Million Labour leave voters deserted the party in December last year and look at votes like this and think they have learnt nothing!

Still, he will have the backing of metropolitan London...
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They're mad, raving fucking mad.
I'm wondering if they're finished for good, after all that's happened, Max
Headroom still clings to the very belief that annihilated them, and puts it in his
mission statement ffs. Nobody is really watching too much at present, so
it will probably fly under the radar, but once it's trumpeted by the Tories,
when it matters, it then becomes a real problem.
 
Tb1981 said:
But we are all old and uneducated!
Also what about the young and uneducated?
Aren’t those the people labour and remainers want to protect the most????
Me thinks It’s the middle class who can’t accept the lower class uneducated mob have won the referendum and normally they just ignore them anyway but on this occasion can’t
It would also be valid to point out a lot more younger people now have degrees (while working in call centres) than older generations , this does not make them better, more intelligent or more useful but can lead to them being more entitled!
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Don’t tar younger voters all with the same brush.

I like Starmer as a bloke but I’d rather shoot myself than vote for Labour.
 
Ban-jani said:
A) it’s not about returning to Europe, it’s about being out of it but allowing FOM, which is the worst policy relating to Europe I’ve ever heard, as a remainer I’d rather leave with no deal.

B) the independent are the most pro remain paper out there, polling is rarely that accurate and enough leavers won’t die before 2024.

C) Starmer was making progress with people by being selective in his opposition to government, rejecting everything will just piss people off and make him look bitter.

D) Johnson’s economic disaster is a result of the spineless git listening to Labour and the left, their fucking hysterical reaction to Covid-19 and demands of authoritarian governance, and Johnson’s pitiful capitulation, is why we’re in this economic mess, the left now can’t use that as a weapon, it’s partly their fault.
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Ancient Citizen said:
All that was said prior to the referendum, prior to the MEP, prior the GE, and before the last GE.
Each and every one was lost. Backing these facts now would help Labour, as those that
created the above have just given them the finger, and it's a
certainty that, in 5 years, when reminded of this, Labour will be battered again, because
their leader refuses to accept what they voted for.

There is also the point that you'll never win anything with kids.
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The polls are consistent that brexit is not universally popular - you read this thread and you would think its 90% who voted for brexit, it rarely gets above 55% and is more often below 50% support. No deal is consistently sub 30%.

In any event the popularity of brexit as of right now is neither hear nor there. In 12 months time we will be living the reality and i can guarantee you that its popularity will fall through the floor. So if it starts at circa 50% popularity and is about to fall of a cliff it's not a great strategy to back it right now. Your are all in a dream world where you think brexit is going to result in sun lit uplands, its going to be a disaster. A clear cut and unequivocal failure, it will be as popular as dog shit at the next election.
 
Ban-jani said:
Don’t tar younger voters all with the same brush.

I like Starmer as a bloke but I’d rather shoot myself than vote for Labour.
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I’m not (although I am!). Being a bit over the top on emphasis
I’m trying to point out that it’s not young v old or rich v poor or uneducated v educated or labour v Tory or racist v non racist
Its far more complicated than that
 
Gaudion M said:
The polls are consistent that brexit is not universally popular - you read this thread and you would think its 90% who voted for brexit, it rarely gets above 55% and is more often below 50% support. No deal is consistently sub 30%.

In any event the popularity of brexit as of right now is neither hear nor there. In 12 months time we will be living the reality and i can guarantee you that its popularity will fall through the floor. So if it starts at circa 50% popularity and is about to fall of a cliff it's not a great strategy to back it right now. Your are all in a dream world where you think brexit is going to result in sun lit uplands, its going to be a disaster. A clear cut and unequivocal failure, it will be as popular as dog shit at the next election.
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When you say consistent polls does that include
Referendums and General elections
Or just the stuff that supports remain and matters not one jot?
 
Tb1981 said:
When you say consistent polls does that include
Referendums and General elections
Or just the stuff that supports remain and matters not one jot?
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I agree it matters not one jot but the last bit of my post is the key:- its going to be a disaster. A clear cut and unequivocal failure, it will be as popular as dog shit at the next election.

If you think Starmer is going to suffer from opposing the Johnson government then you are delusional.
 
Gaudion M said:
I agree it matters not one jot but the last bit of my post is the key:- its going to be a disaster. A clear cut and unequivocal failure, it will be as popular as dog shit at the next election.

If you think Starmer is going to suffer from opposing the Johnson government then you are delusional.
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Well I’ll be sure to check the polls before the next election
 
Gaudion M said:
The polls are consistent that brexit is not universally popular - you read this thread and you would think its 90% who voted for brexit, it rarely gets above 55% and is more often below 50% support. No deal is consistently sub 30%.

In any event the popularity of brexit as of right now is neither hear nor there. In 12 months time we will be living the reality and i can guarantee you that its popularity will fall through the floor. So if it starts at circa 50% popularity and is about to fall of a cliff it's not a great strategy to back it right now. Your are all in a dream world where you think brexit is going to result in sun lit uplands, its going to be a disaster. A clear cut and unequivocal failure, it will be as popular as dog shit at the next election.
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The polls you keep referencing have never been reflected at the ballot box.
On Four occasions.
Your opinion on how Brexit unfolds is simply that, your opinion, it's not the
opinion of those who've just rejected Labour wholesale, and your assumption
that these people, that you simply must get onside, will suddenly swerve to the party that
keeps on rejecting their wishes is wishful thinking at best.
 
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