UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Fred_Quimby]

If there is fear in the club, there might not be that much confidence in a positive outcome.
But certainly Txiki and his team has to make sure to plan ahead for worst case scenario.

Does anyone ever say what we will be doing if we are cleared? Is it all negative?

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

I would feel let down by the club. A lot of this has come from leaked emails with some very daft and concerning phrases that there was no need for regardless of the opinion on UEFA and FFP.

If you don't want somebody to find out about something, don't document it in any form.

Sure I get that and somebody has probably had a real bollocking for being so fucking stupid and lax. And if they have'nt then the club is seriously at fault.

But the issue before CAS is whether the sponsorship from Etihad is genuine.

The club are asserting that the FFP stuff is true and genuine , when dealing with a body which is controlled by liars and teams with a vested interest in restricting competition .

And apart from some " unclear " messages in Die Spiegel, the puppets of UEFA decided to persue us , and exactly who pushed UEFA into this position - at least one of our main competitors and member of the cabal.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

I hope this isn't going to come back and bite me on the backside but I'm going to post it anyway.

Was just thinking about the story that the ban will be "suspended", which has been dismissed by some of us as unrealistic but might fit in with something else I heard, which I'd also dismissed. We know that the journalist who is reporting the "ban suspended" story is close to Aguero and I'd heard recently from a contact that another first team player had said that we'd won the case. I discounted that story as although it was given to me in very good faith (a) I couldn't corroborate it and (b) it was third-hand (i.e. x told y, who told z).

But what if the players have been told we've won (rather than we're confident we're going to win, which is a different thing) and in the translation from Spanish, "the ban will be overturned" became 'the ban will get suspended"? A bit like Ceferin's "concrete" case actually being "specific" case. Interesting thought.

This is an interesting theory PB, but doesn't the time that has elapsed since Aguero and the ban suspended story mean that the club must have been given the result a very long time ago? UNLESS your earlier post theorising that City had reached an agreement at CAS is accurate, in which case the ban could be either "suspended" or overturned, depending on the agreement made. My big problem with this is that City must have accepted guilt for something for the ban to be simply suspended, and presumably accept some form of settlement regime. I can't see what conditions UEFA would apply for a second breach which would suspend the ban and City have refused adamantly to admit any wrongdoing, even a technical breach. I have no difficulty at all believing that City's appeal has been upheld ....

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Why so, mate? Fuck me, I hope you're right.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day!

 

[pudge]

Does anyone ever say what we will be doing if we are cleared? Is it all negative?

Walker's organising another one of his parties

 

[slbsn]

I’d be far happier to see our best players stay with increased bonuses/compensation (if we’re banned) then have parasitic clubs trying to unsettle and push for low ball sales.

Don't worry. That would happen too!

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Walker's organising another one of his parties

Bunga Bunga, no doubt?

 

[@BluePhil8]

The only reason I doubt that Ceferin offered us a token fine for a technical breach is that we'd have been stupid not to take it.

If you are innocent, accepting any settlement is acknowledging guilt.

If you, me or anyone else on this forum was wrongly charged in a criminal matter, for something that they were innocent of, I can guarantee that 99.5% of us wouldn’t accept a lesser punishment. You wouldn’t accept any punishment at all because even if it’s a £1 fine, you’re admitting guilt.

That puts the power completely in UEFAs hands; ‘you’ve accepted 2 fines for FFP breaches, as it’s now the third time we are charging you, the punishment will be a 5 year CL ban and £100m fine’

 

[Keeper!]

If banned what is kdb worth?

£150m plus?

Sterling the same?

So say £300m, we lose two quality players but can they be replaced. Of course they can and we have money to do so.

I want to be in Europe just because of the trips but it not everything.

Losing KDB in his prime is a horrendous though, and a terrible backward step for this football club.

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

If you are innocent, accepting any settlement is acknowledging guilt.

If you, me or anyone else on this forum was wrongly charged in a criminal matter, for something that they were innocent of, I can guarantee that 99.5% of us wouldn’t accept a lesser punishment. You wouldn’t accept any punishment at all because even if it’s a £1 fine, you’re admitting guilt.

That puts the power completely in UEFAs hands; ‘you’ve accepted 2 fines for FFP breaches, as it’s now the third time we are charging you, the punishment will be a 5 year CL ban and £100m fine’

If CAS is a home run for us then fair enough. My point is that if we could have taken a slap in the wrist, then the club better not have been exaggerating about "irrefutable evidence" we have, or we're taking a big big risk.

 

[bluenova]

I've just not been hearing a lack of positiveness since the CAS hearing took place. Our counsel will be highly-skilled enough to ascertain the probabilities in the immediate aftermath.

Even in the last couple of days, believing City have now been informed, the message hasn't changed.

My own take.

There was one line in this article which I found a little odd. https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/pep-guardiola-given-assurances-man-22302752

"Guardiola has insisted he will honour the final year of his contract regardless of the outcome. But that stance was based on assurances from his employers that the case against the club is flawed before the verdict was handed down."

Most likely it's journalistic shenanigans, but any chance it's based on something Pep has said? Bigging up the reassurances sounds hopeful, but if you want to look like the good guy when you leave, then maybe that's what you'd do whatever the outcome?

 

[BringBackSwales]

Think they already know it. 8am UK Monday would be my guess.

You still think it’s good news?

 

[slbsn]

If banned what is kdb worth?

£150m plus?

Sterling the same?

So say £300m, we lose two quality players but can they be replaced. Of course they can and we have money to do so.

I want to be in Europe just because of the trips but it not everything.

Which 2 clubs have £150m to spend on one player? None.

 

[chaddblue]

Losing KDB in his prime is a horrendous though, and a terrible backward step for this football club.

In the present financial climate, there isn’t a club in the world that could afford to buy KDB

 

[pudge]

Think they already know it. 8am UK Monday would be my guess.

Do CAS have allocated times that they release decisions does anyone know? Like the Supreme Court tend to do kinda.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Losing KDB in his prime is a horrendous though, and a terrible backward step for this football club.

Don’t persecute yourself with made up bollocks from a media that fucking hates us. Have you EVER heard KDB say this in an interview? No you haven’t

 

[BringBackSwales]

Do CAS have allocated times that they release decisions does anyone know? Like the Supreme Court tend to do kinda.

I’d be very surprised if they have a formal timetable for such communications?

 

[bluenova]

If you are innocent, accepting any settlement is acknowledging guilt.

If you, me or anyone else on this forum was wrongly charged in a criminal matter, for something that they were innocent of, I can guarantee that 99.5% of us wouldn’t accept a lesser punishment. You wouldn’t accept any punishment at all because even if it’s a £1 fine, you’re admitting guilt.

That puts the power completely in UEFAs hands; ‘you’ve accepted 2 fines for FFP breaches, as it’s now the third time we are charging you, the punishment will be a 5 year CL ban and £100m fine’

Isn't that exactly how the US system works?

Lots of innocent people plead guilty due to the plea bargain system.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

They just know a lot of Kev's current contract is weighted against participating in the Champions League.

Irrespective, aside from the verdict, the biggest thing I am looking forward to is Pep's promise to give his views on it.

Dynamite.

I'm certain we have had a positive result.

Your confidence levels have been reassuringly high for as long as I can remember, tolmie, but I can't recall you expressing certainty until today. Nor have we been asked to envisage iconic scenes such as Pep's reaction to the decision! Is this the result of whispers emanating from within the club?

 

[@BluePhil8]

Isn't that exactly how the US system works?

Lots of innocent people plead guilty due to the plea bargain system.

No offence, but I would look at actual third world countries’ Justice Systems in the exact same way I’d view the USAs’.