UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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Wonder how many CAS cases have the financial implications of £250m , the amount of income we could lose if we are banned , a lot CAS decisions are for individuals , i think Mutu lost his case and was instructed to pay £25m to Chelsea , he still hasnt paid a cent after 12 years and the dispute is ongoing
Maybe we can spin the UEFA fine out for a decade or more and keep their lawyers busy ,if we lose the next step is a Swiss law tribunal if that fails european courts , make UEFA work for their blood money
 
Gremlin said:
What is the case, however, is that as we get closer to the official announcement date of 13 Jul, the more likelihood that the parties will have been told. If there are still positive vibes coming out of the club by the weekend (and zilch from the usual UEFA leaks) that would probably be a good sign.

There again, they may be told an hour before the announcement - what do I know...
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And to muddy the water still further what if the ruling was to reduce it to a 1 year ban? How then would you read the parties response in the media?
 
whp.blue said:
Years ago, after loosing a bet, I had the name of a Welsh Town tattooed on mine
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Which one?
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supercity88 said:
The club never agreed with the terms of the settlement agreement but signed up to it for the interests of preserving a relationship with UEFA (something they've now decided was pointless and so are fighting hard). The settlement agreement set out a list of restrictions/terms with which City had to comply over the following financial periods in order for UEFA to be satisfied there were no further breaches of FFP. We did comply.

The emails then came out which called into question what we had provided to UEFA previously, with UEFA believing we had falsified accounts in order to comply. They've therefore reissued a punishment on an accounting period covered by the settlement agreement. The club would argue that we were already punished and had complied with a settlement, and UEFA had an agenda against us. UEFA will undoubtedly be saying we didn't provide evidence to dismiss the suggestion of falsifying accounts as shown in the hacked emails.

The club, in my opinion, have clearly decided not to try too hard to give UEFA what they need. Potentially concerned by the fact they were leaking information, and also because of their agenda against the club. Instead, we've probably shared what we needed to with CAS in order to make this whole thing go away. I'm confident this is the case because of Ferran's "irrefutable evidence" claim. If this was just a question of procedure, and whether UEFA could re-open something after it had already been settled, I'd be less confident.
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This is exactly as I see it.

City may have been able to all along provide independent evidence to corroborate our claims that our sponsorship revenue came from an unrelated party. The club chose not to provide UEFA with this evidence (non-co-operation) on account of Yves Leterme "previewing" our punishment in 2018 and the leaks to the press. I place great weight on both of these occurrences influencing our response. The club's statement is very important in understanding that we could not trust the UEFA process and sought to bypass them in order to make our case.

There may also be people in Abu Dhabi willing to provide evidence to CAS but who the club were not willing to expose to a flawed and corrupt UEFA investigation, largely due to the leaking of confidential information.
 
Citizen in Pakistan said:
Yes I totally agree, most likely it will be one way or the other. However, there are precedents i believe for bans getting reduced, i am not sure if they would apply in our case though
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I would have thought that CAS can only judge on what the appellant has appealed and the narrative from City is that we have proof of compliance, and I can't see any official documents describing the nature of our appeal other than this. Unless the precedent is that CAS understand that appellants who have their cases dismissed then usually go on to appeal the level of the punishment and so they also then judge that side as well so as to avoid further appeals and other potential legal processes. I would have thought the next step would be, if we don't prevail, that we have to appeal again against the sentence and, if we want it to be delayed to allow entry into next year's competition while our appeal is heard, possibly go to court to prevent UEFA enforcing the punishment immediately. I don't think we'd do the latter but we might still appeal via CAS.

All moot hopefully.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I think there will be a feature on how winning the CL then the PL is a world class achievement whilst doing it the other way round is fairly old school and not that difficult. Then there will be a replay of the ‘miracle of Istanbul’, followed by Barca being knocked out last season.
Finally they will focus on who Real Madrid have drawn in the semi final and have an hour long discussion about where KDB, Sterling and LaPorte will be playing next season following the criminal activity perpetrated by those ‘filthy cheating Arabs’. I can hardly wait.....
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They could always make a feature on how to become champions of Europe and the world and everywhere ever without bothering with the tedious chore of becoming champions in your own country.
 
projectriver said:
Not really sure what the question is. City say the 2014 settlement and the settlement regime closed the book on the periods under investigation. The settlement is unlikely to be binding under Swiss Law unfortunately (it was never approved by a court or tribunal) so it is unclear how CAS will deal with it. UEFA will probably be able to argue the case on its merits and CAS will have to decide if we actually did breach as UEFA claim.
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Ahh right as per usually Uefa want to have there cake and eat it.
 
projectriver said:
There is certainly no way that of last night they had heard they had lost. Won maybe. Probably didn't know. https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/txiki-begiristain-david-silva-63729838
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Very positive interview, same from Pep post match.

Considering Pep has just lost his mother and one of his teams has just lost the title by 20 points, lost 3 consecutive away fixtures for the 1st time in his managerial career and according to the doom merchants his present employees are going to have their 2 year ban from the Champions League confirmed he looks quite chilled and relaxed.
 
Marvin said:
I would want to see evidence that we have inflated our income, or deceived the authorities.

To be honest, given the trajectory that UEFA were taking with City, would we have been wrong had we tried to deceive UEFA? It has never felt like a neutral regime.

Remember that UEFA changed the rules of the assessment and from that point onwards the gloves were off. The trouble is I doubt whether there is a court to resolve issues of fairness and justice in the way that most people would understand it.

We may win the case, and I don't care how but the best thing the fans can do is retain a bit of independence and not just fold because you see red guilty signs everywhere.
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It wasn't right that UEFA changed the process so late in the day, so previous signings/wages were then applicable and we failed as a result. But that would have been a separate case with CAS and was something the club just took on the chin in the interests of not falling out with UEFA. As per my previous post, you can see from the tone of our first appeal to CAS that both parties do not have a relationship now. Quite rightly from our perspective, playing their game didn't get us anywhere and the club have to make a stand to bury all allegations and repair our reputation.

Nevertheless, as has been said many times, we're still guilty regardless of what CAS say. Most anti-City media will simply say we got away with it on a technicality even if that's not true. Most will say we still breached FFP and should have been banned and we'll still be the money club that only wins because of it. As a fan, I don't give a toss about that.
 
Shaelumstash said:
Great video that, he looks very relaxed.
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He does. Had a chuckle to myself thinking that Pep, Txiki, Ferran and Khaldoon were all reading this thread and enjoying the drama so thought they'd do some videos with contrasting emotions to let things go wild. Pep went for the agitated approach, they then sat back and enjoyed Bluemoon's body language experts get increasingly depressed. Txiki then puts out a relaxed interview and suddenly we're all convinced we've won again.

Anyone else notice Silva in discussions with the ref after the game last night. It could have been because of the foul on him that wasn't given, or could it have been about the CAS decision? Was David picking the refs up on a comment regarding our breach of FFP rules?
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
I am erring on the side of the appeal being upheld myself but either we convince CAS that our evidence proves compliance or UEFA convince them that their evidence proves failure to comply. I struggle to find the in-between situation that would result in CAS saying UEFA were right but we think the punishment is too harsh, because I doubt we have appealed the punishment if we were convinced of our side. Saying that we are innocent and then saying "but if you find us guilty" is a weak approach.
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As ive said before, the only logical 'middle ground' that i can see as acceptacle to either the club or uefa, is if we are clearwd on the breach of ffp and false documents accusations, but the subjective 'un-cooperative' charge is upheld. Not that it would warrant a ban, mind, more a fine or suspended fine.

The line the club have taken, that is about as much as i could see them accepting, and it gives uefa something to hang onto. 'ok you are not guilty but you weren't quick or helpful in demonstrating that to us'.
 
Marvin said:
I would want to see evidence that we have inflated our income, or deceived the authorities.

To be honest, given the trajectory that UEFA were taking with City, would we have been wrong had we tried to deceive UEFA? It has never felt like a neutral regime.

Remember that UEFA changed the rules of the assessment and from that point onwards the gloves were off. The trouble is I doubt whether there is a court to resolve issues of fairness and justice in the way that most people would understand it.

We may win the case, and I don't care how but the best thing the fans can do is retain a bit of independence and not just fold because you see red guilty signs everywhere.
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Well CAS is an independent organisation, i think they're pretty well respected and AFAIK they would provide a relatively detaile brief at some point post-decision. They did so with the original appeal we made when the case was referred to UEFA's board.

Whether we are right to deceive them, i'm not sure. Are the rules bollocks? Yes. But we should have made it clear to UEFA that we couldn't comply and come up with an agreement at the time, rather than lie about it (IF thats what we've done).

If we win it then everything the club has said is proven, by a Court of Arbitration, and we *may?* have a right to sue for damaged towards UEFA for how its affected our reputation. However if we're found guilty having seen all our self-reputed evidence, then we need to be honest with ourselves as fans IMHO.
 
My inkling is that the club are not as confident as some of our statements infer , the fact we have done nothing in the transfer market is down to the club not being able to guarantee champs league for players like Koulibaly , it appears we are delaying any commitment on transfers until the appeal decision is confirmed.
 
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