UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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the best thing about this situation is the suicides that will happen over at RAWK. just read this beauty !

Fucking shit stain of a club and fan base. Always thought I hated Chelsea but this lot take the biscuit they really do. Fuck the lot of them the sooner the Abu Dhabi fuck off the better. Swear to god, I would love to slap John Stones, he has one of those faces, thinks he is a male model and hardcase but really he is just a fucking dweeb. As for Razza, lets not even go there, and don't get me started on fucking that ugly twat ederson.
The rest of the players are just about bearable I'll grant them that, but fuck me what a cauldron of bellendry and hypocrisy.
Can somebody just flush these charlatans back to division 2 please?
 
JULES said:
the best thing about this situation is the suicides that will happen over at RAWK. just read this beauty !

Fucking shit stain of a club and fan base. Always thought I hated Chelsea but this lot take the biscuit they really do. Fuck the lot of them the sooner the Abu Dhabi fuck off the better. Swear to god, I would love to slap John Stones, he has one of those faces, thinks he is a male model and hardcase but really he is just a fucking dweeb. As for Razza, lets not even go there, and don't get me started on fucking that ugly twat ederson.
The rest of the players are just about bearable I'll grant them that, but fuck me what a cauldron of bellendry and hypocrisy.
Can somebody just flush these charlatans back to division 2 please?
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Those salty tears taste good.
 
Citizen Green said:
Petrusha, if you don’t mind, what is your assessment of this case in general?

I made the point before of how can this of got to this point, our accounts are audited and clearly show (to my knowledge) the cash flow direct from Etihad & others, with that said how can hacked emails lead to this? On a legal stand point surely they are irrelevant.

How UEFA prove otherwise before CAS is next to impossible in my opinion, not to mention the dates past since the settlement that covered these original issues as well as being released from said settlement in 2017.
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Based on the information in the public domain, it's difficult to see how the Adjudicatory Chamber can be so sure that the club actually did what the AC found us guilty of. But the AC is composed of serious and reputable individuals so I also find myself questioning whether there might not be evidence we don't know about - I find it hard to think they'd issue a sanction that would simply fall apart at the first sign of independent scrutiny.

So basically I don't know. I'm waiting for the CAS ruling to maybe cast light on how events took the course they did.
 
Citizen Green said:
Petrusha, if you don’t mind, what is your assessment of this case in general?

I made the point before of how can this of got to this point, our accounts are audited and clearly show (to my knowledge) the cash flow direct from Etihad & others, with that said how can hacked emails lead to this? On a legal stand point surely they are irrelevant.

How UEFA prove otherwise before CAS is next to impossible in my opinion, not to mention the dates past since the settlement that covered these original issues as well as being released from said settlement in 2017.
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I know the question wasn't for me, so will allow Petrusha to answer as they see fit.

On the hacked emails, CAS would allow information to come from those sources to be used as evidence. UEFA clearly feel those hacked emails bring into question what was submitted to them from the club previously and having given us the chance (in their terms) to respond, didn't feel we could adequately explain away the emails and issued a decision subsequently banning us.

I've mentioned previously that I think City were always intending to take this to CAS as a fuck you to UEFA. We don't trust UEFA and why submit any additional information if they leak things to the media? Instead we can give CAS our evidence to justify why UEFA's decision was wrong. The matters of process in terms of the settlement having been in place, and fulfilled, and the time limit points could potentially be a reason in themselves for us to win the appeal but I'm not 100% on that side of things. Irrefutable evidence as we claim would not suggest City are fighting this purely on a procedural issue, but that we can quite clearly show we're not guilty and have chosen for the CAS appeal to be the stage where that information is presented to protect it from being leaked.

From day 1 on this, the club has been at war with UEFA. It was a big move by the club to get Ferran in front of a camera and rebut the claims. A simple statement would have been sufficient, but the club clearly wanted to go further and were confident even then, that we would defeat UEFA at appeal. All of that would come back to bite if we didn't have full confidence we could win this. I know people have stated that you're never 100% sure of success at appeal, but I think on this matter you probably could be close to that.
 
petrusha said:
Based on the information in the public domain, it's difficult to see how the Adjudicatory Chamber can be so sure that the club actually did what the AC found us guilty of. But the AC is composed of serious and reputable individuals so I also find myself questioning whether there might not be evidence we don't know about - I find it hard to think they'd issue a sanction that would simply fall apart at the first sign of independent scrutiny.

So basically I don't know. I'm waiting for the CAS ruling to maybe cast light on how events took the course they did.
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If UEFA were unbiased and truly independent you'd be right. But they were under pressure to ban us and they've taken City's lack of cooperation as evidence of guilt.
 
JULES said:
the best thing about this situation is the suicides that will happen over at RAWK. just read this beauty !

Fucking shit stain of a club and fan base. Always thought I hated Chelsea but this lot take the biscuit they really do. Fuck the lot of them the sooner the Abu Dhabi fuck off the better. Swear to god, I would love to slap John Stones, he has one of those faces, thinks he is a male model and hardcase but really he is just a fucking dweeb. As for Razza, lets not even go there, and don't get me started on fucking that ugly twat ederson.
The rest of the players are just about bearable I'll grant them that, but fuck me what a cauldron of bellendry and hypocrisy.
Can somebody just flush these charlatans back to division 2 please?
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That was me.
 
supercity88 said:
If UEFA were unbiased and truly independent you'd be right. But they were under pressure to ban us and they've taken City's lack of cooperation as evidence of guilt.
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Yes I have wondered whether the lack of co-operation thing was code for "you didn't provide the evidence we needed to prove your guilt."
 
supercity88 said:
I know the question wasn't for me, so will allow Petrusha to answer as they see fit.

On the hacked emails, CAS would allow information to come from those sources to be used as evidence. UEFA clearly feel those hacked emails bring into question what was submitted to them from the club previously and having given us the chance (in their terms) to respond, didn't feel we could adequately explain away the emails and issued a decision subsequently banning us.

I've mentioned previously that I think City were always intending to take this to CAS as a fuck you to UEFA. We don't trust UEFA and why submit any additional information if they leak things to the media? Instead we can give CAS our evidence to justify why UEFA's decision was wrong. The matters of process in terms of the settlement having been in place, and fulfilled, and the time limit points could potentially be a reason in themselves for us to win the appeal but I'm not 100% on that side of things. Irrefutable evidence as we claim would not suggest City are fighting this purely on a procedural issue, but that we can quite clearly show we're not guilty and have chosen for the CAS appeal to be the stage where that information is presented to protect it from being leaked.

From day 1 on this, the club has been at war with UEFA. It was a big move by the club to get Ferran in front of a camera and rebut the claims. A simple statement would have been sufficient, but the club clearly wanted to go further and were confident even then, that we would defeat UEFA at appeal. All of that would come back to bite if we didn't have full confidence we could win this. I know people have stated that you're never 100% sure of success at appeal, but I think on this matter you probably could be close to that.
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Thank you for the detailed response mate.
 
Just spoken to someone at City who is involved in the planning for next season and I was told everyone from top to bottom are confident we have done nothing wrong and will be playing in the champions league next season. Nothing new I know, but maybe calm a few nerves as we get nearer the announcement.
 
bluemanchester said:
Just spoken to someone at City who is involved in the planning for next season and I was told everyone from top to bottom are confident we have done nothing wrong and will be playing in the champions league next season. Nothing new I know, but maybe calm a few nerves as we get nearer the announcement.
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How was his body language though ? ;)
 
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