Another new Brexit thread

  • Thread starter Thread starter Ric
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
blueish swede said:
You need to get past the idea that there are "net spenders" in the EU. Every country in the EU has a net financial gain from being in th EU, as you rightly imply in the bolded part of your post. The amount paid by an individual country is returned with interest by the economic gains of being in the single market because the single market creates wealth. You a labouring under what is known as the "fixed pie fallacy". It is the basis for many economic fallicies, including Brexit.
Click to expand...
That's a good point. I think it doesn't gain more traction with the public because the spend is easier to demonstrate as a tangible figure. The benefits you describe may only become tangible to many when they are lost. I'm not sure there is much opposition to a single market - it's the rest of the trappings of state that have evolved as the EEC became the EU.
 
Vic said:
That would be the new Get Ready for Brexit campaign rather than the old Get Ready for Brexit campaign.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/get-ready-for-brexit-campaign-launched
Click to expand...

Correct. This is not the old Get Ready Campaign but the new Get Ready Campaign which is not to be confused with the Get Ready Campaign we will be launching later in the year. The suggestion for the Autumn campaign will be ‘Get Ready For Brexit: This Time We Really Mean It’.

Which is all a bit weird because I thought Brexit was done and we no longer needed to talk about it. Obviously I missed the campaign retracting the ‘Brexit: It’s Done’ campaign.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
That's a good point. I think it doesn't gain more traction with the public because the spend is easier to demonstrate as a tangible figure. The benefits you describe may only become tangible to many when they are lost. I'm not sure there is much opposition to a single market - it's the rest of the trappings of state that have evolved as the EEC became the EU.
Click to expand...

Proven by the fact that South Wales benefited massively from the EU investment in infrastructure projects - South Wales was massively pro-Brexit. They all just ignored the signs on the bridges they drove over on the ring road they were using which declared they were done in partnership with the EU and just fell for the big numbers that were claimed to be "savings" as a Brexit dividend. They rejected the argument that Westminster would not spend in South Wales to the same degree and were blinded by shiny things shown to them. I doubt South Wales will see any sort of Brexit dividend - I am pretty sure Henley on Thames will though.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Proven by the fact that South Wales benefited massively from the EU investment in infrastructure projects - South Wales was massively pro-Brexit. They all just ignored the signs on the bridges they drove over on the ring road they were using which declared they were done in partnership with the EU and just fell for the big numbers that were claimed to be "savings" as a Brexit dividend. They rejected the argument that Westminster would not spend in South Wales to the same degree and were blinded by shiny things shown to them. I doubt South Wales will see any sort of Brexit dividend - I am pretty sure Henley on Thames will though.
Click to expand...
Yep, I appreciate the irony - just like all those northern labour voters going tory in December. Maybe they and the population of south Wales are engaged in a colossal act of collective stupidity and self harm, or maybe it's just that they want change and are unhappy with the EU?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Yep, I appreciate the irony - just like all those northern labour voters going tory in December. Maybe they and the population of south Wales are engaged in a colossal act of collective stupidity and self harm, or maybe it's just that they want change and are unhappy with the EU?
Click to expand...

If they wanted change they sure are going to get it...............I doubt it will be what they expected though
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Yep, I appreciate the irony - just like all those northern labour voters going tory in December. Maybe they and the population of south Wales are engaged in a colossal act of collective stupidity and self harm, or maybe it's just that they want change and are unhappy with the EU?
Click to expand...
You're half right. The first half.
 
bluethrunthru said:
If they wanted change they sure are going to get it...............I doubt it will be what they expected though
Click to expand...
Possibly, but it's not like being in the EU hasn't been given a fair go, and there have been plenty of folk selling its benefits - maybe it's a case of nor knowing what we've got till its gone or the grass seeming greener etc. I suppose we get to find out. Personally I'm not convinced by either the sunny uplands or doom and gloom arguments.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Possibly, but it's not like being in the EU hasn't been given a fair go, and there have been plenty of folk selling its benefits - maybe it's a case of nor knowing what we've got till its gone or the grass seeming greener etc. I suppose we get to find out. Personally I'm not convinced by either the sunny uplands or doom and gloom arguments.
Click to expand...

A very fair go. We did very well as a member. Trade was frictionless, people moved around with no Govt interference. UK businesses had one of the richest markets on the planet to sell to. Borders were becoming but a distant memory. We even established peace in NI. Pretty much a win win all round.
 
BobKowalski said:
A very fair go. We did very well as a member. Trade was frictionless, people moved around with no Govt interference. UK businesses had one of the richest markets on the planet to sell to. Borders were becoming but a distant memory. We even established peace in NI. Pretty much a win win all round.
Click to expand...
All good things come to an end.
It’s unusual to vote for them to end early though.
 
BobKowalski said:
Emergency application. Apparently there is a deadline. Who knew.
Click to expand...
There's no such thing. B8 planning use already in place for storage / distribution with (usually) plenty of scope for how it's used - but not new roads. There will be something in the Coronavirus Act...
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Possibly, but it's not like being in the EU hasn't been given a fair go, and there have been plenty of folk selling its benefits - maybe it's a case of nor knowing what we've got till its gone or the grass seeming greener etc. I suppose we get to find out. Personally I'm not convinced by either the sunny uplands or doom and gloom arguments.
Click to expand...

despite your hopes it is going to be either Martha or Arthur - the idea that it will just be the same (ish) is delusional.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top