UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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prestonibbo_mcfc said:
The reason for my confidence is that if the ban was upheld, I'm bloody sure we'd have heard about it before now.
When the ban was first imposed, it was on every media outlet known to man. I was at work and non football
people were informing of me it. I got home and couldn't get the news off my TV. Think it was even on babest QVC.
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It was on the main BBC evening news but you can be sure that when we are cleared it will not be covered by them.
 
Has there been anyone who does not have a connection with City, beit a blue moon poster, a city journo, or former player that has said the club will win the case?

It seems to me that for something so clear cut it is strange that no one outside of the City circle thinks the club have won, or even think the club has a chance really, unless I have missed it of course.

The argument put forward tends to be any negative rumour is a kfa and is wrong but is that just confirmation bias as we are all desperate for the club to win so we only acknowledge a good news story.

If we believe someone like Ian Cheeseman knows then surely a lot of other people would know as well especially journalists and they are not saying we have won.

Bloody hope we have done though but this reminds me a lot of when we thought we won last time, city connections saying yes and everybody else saying no.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
That stuff from 'Phil in Gibraltar' is almost certainly bullshit but it's very convincing bullshit.

We're pretty sure that despite Tony Evans' nonsense, UEFA's case rested almost exclusively on the hacked emails. They may have relied on some of the stuff that PWC went through in 2014 (hence Evans' reference to evidence we had provided to them) as well but the emails were key.

We've always said as well that the emails were taken out of context. One or two looked very incriminating on the surface but we never saw the full chain. So there was an email that talked about ADUG being part of the money chain but we never saw any response to that, which could have said "None of this money is coming through ADUG" or "Yes but the ADUG contribution will be funded wholly from the Executive Council or the Crown Prince Court". We know that at least for the early part of the Etihad sponsorship, it was certainly funded by the Executive Council so that's entirely possible. UEFA may not like that but basically it's none of their business and there's nothing they can do.

So I could well imagine a scenario at CAS where UEFA claim that the Etihad ownership was disguised owner investment, on the basis of the emails. CAS then ask our legal team about that and we produce solid evidence of transactions from the Crown Prince Court or Executive Council regarding the Etihad Sponsorship that completely exonerate ADUG/Sheikh Mansour. So CAS turn to UEFA's legal team and ask them to comment and they say "But we've these hacked emails...".

It's an arbitration hearing, not a trial, so maybe even UEFA's legal team had to eventually accept, in front of the panel, that there was no disguised owner investment. Whether that's how it works I don't know but it's possible that we came out of that hearing 99% certain we'd won.
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Was probably 50/50 till Peps interview on match of the day, only thing missing was are feeling confident oh yes we already know we've won !
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
How would CAS work though? They're an arbitration service, not a court, so surely there's some measure of interaction between the parties during the proceedings. Is it entirely out of the question that the CAS panel could have said to UEFA's team "Look lads, this position of yours is a bit silly".
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As in court, the panel could well have indicated they thought that in their line of questioning and body language. But no they would not have formally dismissed the substantive arguments at the hearing.

Regardless, Philingib is not ITK and is 100% making it up
 
KS55 said:
What gives the club the right to be disappointed with Cheesy?
They have severed all official connection with him, they have pettily refused his request for press credentials at the Etihad, they have treated him shabbily.
Unless there is more than cost behind the decision to bin him off (which we don't know about), this is not the right way to deal with a loyal supporter.
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Cheesy is a fully-trained bona fide freelance journalist with 30 plus years experience. He may not be everyone's cup of tea but I doubt very much if he is in the guessing game. He will have a source and is perfecly within his rights to reveal the story. If he's is correct he will have a great scoop and good luck to him. If he has called it wrong then it's just tough luck and his reputation will be damaged. That is the business he has been in all his career.
 
I know one thing for certain, regardless of the result in the public eye we will be guilty and we will still think UEFA are crooked.
 
I don't anticipate any ruling announced until at least 09:40, as VAR will have to assess every conceivable statement to ensure the "correct" result for the good of the game is the outcome
 
Parisian said:
I have no problem with Der Spiegel reporting on Football Leaks documents.

My problem is they are putting their own bias into it. They talk about fraud and stuff like that when they accuse City or PSG of having inflated contracts. It is not a fraud and there is nothing breaking the law here.

At best, you could say they tried to circumvent the rules by using a loophole.

Two years in a row, Barça and Juventus are going for those inflated swap deals (Pjanic-Arthur lately) to make a quick income before the end of the season. It is against the spirit of the FFP law as they say but it is legal and no one is concerned about it.
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You are so tight about the selective application of certain rules. However City seem to have to comply with every single rule to the nth degree including the spirit of the rule whereas others including dare I say PSG seem to be able to get away with much more.
Can CAS have a view on this selective application of UEFA own rules and tell them to get some sort of fairness or is it rules they are obviously only used against certain clubs?
 
Cobwebcat said:
What about his words...”are you confident?” Answer “A lot” given City know by now, and they do because that’s the procedure, why would he say that? Or “Monday is a big day for sure” smile wink....you would have to believe he has lost his mind if we haven’t won.
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The clubs been confident since the beginning. It's not beyond reason that he doesn't know but is still maintaining the show of bravado, hopefully with substance behind it! IF he knows at this present time then yeah I'd agree - we've won. I'm just not that confident that the club know, let alone Pep.

I respect the opinions of PB, PR and others on here and enjoy reading their posts, but I still don't find it implausible that the club really only will find out first thing on Monday morning. @BillyShears says as much too, iirc.
 
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