Huawei 5g in UK

west didsblue said:
It’s a totalitarian, repressive state with a dictator in charge.

Rightly or wrongly we do business with loads of countries like that.
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We are about to bung a load of arms to the Saudi's aren't we? They fit the first sentence of your post.
 
Ban-jani said:
I agree with your first bit but I don’t necessarily think this is the case. The pressure from the US will have some impact but China’s continued aggression towards our allies and the situation with Covid-19 and the coverup is what’s done it.

When Trump tried to apply pressure against the 5G project initially, we went ahead anyway and said we had to make our own decisions.

This u-turn is because of China, not the US, imo.
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Not what they’ve just said on News at 10. Although that’s just their opinion.
 
BobKowalski said:
China is Australia’s largest trading partner. A third of Australia’s exports go to China. Australia is a Pacific rim country. The only Anglosphere thing about Australia is that they speak English and play cricket.
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But aren't we going to fill the gap in trade with the EU by increased trading with the Commonwealth and Oz was a prime target? Given todays decision I can see China blocking whatever we try - still Trumps happy so alls good.
 
west didsblue said:
No. ITV
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Well the government said no to the US at the beginning, since then China have behaved appallingly, lied to the world and are intimidating Australia.

I just think if it was just about Trump, we’d have gone with someone else in the beginning.
 
west didsblue said:
No. ITV
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Ive just watched the same thing. The timescale of changing horses now seems extraordinary - also, at a time where more people are working from home and connectivity is becoming more and more important we are turning the technology and infrastructure down

The technology exists and we need it, now more than ever for a competitive advantage if nothing else - I don’t really know what the answer is but ‘sucking it up’ may not have been the worst option and build in security measures to the infrastructure

We are not cutting ties because the U.K. is morally opposed to what is going on, it’s been going on and been on the cards for years. We also work with plenty of other despots

U-turning on this given the economic reality of the U.K., could prove to be an error. But I’m not going to die on either hill
 
Ban-jani said:
Well the government said no to the US at the beginning, since then China have behaved appallingly, lied to the world and are intimidating Australia.

I just think if it was just about Trump, we’d have gone with someone else in the beginning.
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You might be right but the prevailing view is that US pressure is the biggest factor.
 
“If you want to do business with the US you can’t use it”. Donald J Trump, about 5 minutes ago....
 
Ban-jani said:
The prevailing view is that City have got away with one with the CAS case, a lot of people think a lot of bollocks a lot of the time.
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If you think our government has just discovered a conscience about China and that’s why they’ve made this decision I doubt you’ll find many who agree. Fortunately for them they’ve got a list of reasons as long as your arm that can be used to justify why we shouldn’t be closely tied in with a major Chinese company. It doesn’t mean that it’s the real reason though.
 
west didsblue said:
If you think our government has just discovered a conscience about China and that’s why they’ve made this decision I doubt you’ll find many who agree. Fortunately for them they’ve got a list of reasons as long as your arm that can be used to justify why we shouldn’t be closely tied in with a major Chinese company. It doesn’t mean that it’s the real reason though.
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I didn’t say that, it’s not about having a conscious, it’s about them being fucked off with what China had done with Covid-19, how they’re treating Australia and Hong Kong and the threats to us for offering passports etc.

One day, maybe one day, some of you will think we’re in the right on something.
 
Ban-jani said:
Donald Trump in January actually, we later agreed to use it the same week.
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He literally did say 5 minutes ago whilst congratulating himself on personally convincing ‘many countries’ not to use it

Either way, as I’ve posted, I think it could be an error given the economic reality of the U.K. But we’ll see
 
Ban-jani said:
I didn’t say that, it’s not about having a conscious, it’s about them being fucked off with what China had done with Covid-19, how they’re treating Australia and Hong Kong and the threats to us for offering passports etc.

One day, maybe one day, some of you will think we’re in the right on something.
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Who said I didn’t think it was the right thing?
I’m questioning the reason for it.
 
Ban-jani said:
Australia is one of the closest cultures to us in the world, is a Commonwealth member and is inhabited by our migrants.

The Anglosphere shares much more than trade.

China has engaged in an attempted cyber attack on Australia, has whacked up their tariffs to Australia and is continuing to intimidate in the region.

Do you think this is a country we should be pally with? Because I do not.
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China is upsetting most of the countries in the region with its aggressive attitude. The only way it can be curtailed or made to listen is if Washington and Brussels work together, which they won’t do. Partly because of a Trump but also because countries like Germany have too much trade and investment with China. There is some sign that EU countries are prepared to tackle some of the issues with China but I think it will fall well short.

Australia spoke out over Covid 19 which is why they got hit with the latest tariffs. Props for them for doing so as they were warned what would happen. China’s actions are short sighted and counter productive.

The UK is in a tough spot given relations with China are likely to go in the freezer, and our relations with Europe are likely to be chilly as well and the US is melting down over Covid. If we want to put pressure on China we need allies, but our influence in this region is non existent and siding with the Aussies isn’t going to cut it. Better bet would be India who are also having problems with China and are also a Commonwealth country. China couldn’t give a shit about Australia, India is more problematic for them.

Personally I think Europe should be pooling resource on tech capacity including 5g and keeping it ‘in house’ as much as possible, especially if you consider the security aspects. While I have some sympathy for ditching Huawei it’s a fact that a lot of their tech is already embedded in our telecommunications and replacing that and trying to advance 5g is going to be expensive, problematic and leave us behind other countries. I haven’t seen what the alternative proposals are but with everything else going on I have doubts about the capacity of the UK state to manage all the issues that are piling up.
 
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