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On the other hand patients on ICU ventilator beds in UK hospitals fell again after the slight blip a few days ago.

From 191 on 10 July to 168 on 11 July to 159 on 12 July then a small rise to 162 on 13 July and - as of yesterday - down again significantly to just 145.

For context this was over 3300 at the start of April.
 
Cumulative deaths now top 45k even using the government's understated figures.
Based on covid death certificates the figure is approx 55k, and using excess deaths as a measure about 65k.
While the trends look positive at the minute these figures represent the true horror of this epidemic.
 
somapop said:
Saw that - and links to that new T cell paper posted earlier (positive thread). I guess the question is how much of the population have this protection (which seems to last for years unlike antibodies according to some reports).



This winter would be a remarkably fast turnaround (not hugely surprising given the money & resources thrown at it).
Would you take the vaccine later this year btw (I know you’ve had but presuming the anti bodies don’t last)?
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I was meaning covid will be back in winter,we might never find a vaccine although I am very hopeful,i have always thought a year to find one,front line workers getting it first,the public in time for next winter,yes I will have it,the flu jab and pneumonia jab
 
Regional scoreboard

London +50 (up a little)

West Midlands + 65 (highest in a few days)

Yorks & Humber + 121 (a lot up on yesterday and back in the 100s where they have been for the past week)

North West + 84 (up from 58 and 81 last two days but below 100 and not the worst impacted region)
 
Len Rum said:
Cumulative deaths now top 45k even using the government's understated figures.
Based on covid death certificates the figure is approx 55k, and using excess deaths as a measure about 65k.
While the trends look positive at the minute these figures represent the true horror of this epidemic.
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I don’t think any of those figures are accurate, Covid-19 has been put on death certificates far too easily.

I know from personal experience they’ve tried to put in on when in reality it was something else that killed the person.
 
Ban-jani said:
I don’t think any of those figures are accurate, Covid-19 has been put on death certificates far too easily.

I know from personal experience they’ve tried to put in on when in reality it was something else that killed the person.
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suggesting Government are telling hospitals to do this ?

it would be a national scandel and exposed by now
 
GM scoreboard

Bolton 5 (lowest for over a week - 89 in 13 days of new data)

Bury 1 (tracking low and was once a GM hotspot so have done well - 26 over the 13 days, joint lowest in GM)

Manchester 11 (much as the city was two weeks ago - 158 over 13 days)

Oldham 2 (seems to have got a worrying track under control and 75 in the 13 days but only 18 in the last 6 of those days)

Rochdale 10 (up again and still the problem - but has been a lot worse - 134 in the 13 days)

Salford 3 (up from 0, and 51 in the 13 days)

Stockport 1 (as in past 3 days - and at 26 over 13 days joint lowest in GM)

Tameside 0 (down from 1 - seems to have tamed earlier higher scores - and 40 over the 13 days

Wigan 0 (down from 3 and second 0 in three days - 29 over the 13 days)


For comparison Leicester was up from 31 to 41 today and whilst a bit down on 2 weeks ago that lockdown is not yet under control)

Bradford meanwhile added 38 (up from 36) and its other watchlist town Blackburn and Darwen had 13 (up from 11)

That's it tonight. Off to watch the blues. Night all.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
suggesting Government are telling hospitals to do this ?

it would be a national scandel and exposed by now
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I don’t know mate, I just know of several people with family dying of cancer, strokes etc. and Covid-19 going down on the death certificate. One even fought to get it removed as it was obviously something else.

There’s loads of stories knocking about stating the same.

I don’t know if it’s government, not sure why they would though as it makes them look worse.
 
Ban-jani said:
I don’t think any of those figures are accurate, Covid-19 has been put on death certificates far too easily.

I know from personal experience they’ve tried to put in on when in reality it was something else that killed the person.
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And yet in the early days of the pandemic it was reported that Doctors didn't recognise deaths due to Covid, so maybe one cancels out the other?
 
Len Rum said:
And yet in the early days of the pandemic it was reported that Doctors didn't recognise deaths due to Covid, so maybe one cancels out the other?
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That’s true, although considering we had 900+ dying a day at the height of it, I would GUESS that the overestimates outnumber those missed earlier.
 
Ban-jani said:
That’s true, although considering we had 900+ dying a day at the height of it, I would GUESS that the overestimates outnumber those missed earlier.
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Whatever mate.
55k is a low estimate anyway for certificate covid deaths, I think it's nearer 57k.
So even accepting your point, 55k is probably correct.
Penalty!
 
Len Rum said:
Whatever mate.
55k is a low estimate anyway for certificate covid deaths, I think it's nearer 57k.
So even accepting your point, 55k is probably correct.
Penalty!
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I disagree, in my immediate mates I know 3 people who have had family members die and they’re adamant it was not Covid, yet it’s on the death certificate, there’s loads online saying it too.

We may as well leave it until the inquiry though, there’s no data that’s accurate.

No bleeding penalty haha! Fucking VAR
 
Ban-jani said:
I disagree, in my immediate mates I know 3 people who have had family members die and they’re adamant it was not Covid, yet it’s on the death certificate, there’s loads online saying it too.

We may as well leave it until the inquiry though, there’s no data that’s accurate.

No bleeding penalty haha! Fucking VAR
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loads of people saying the opposite too.

only thing we have for sure is excess deaths which is about 60k.
 
grunge said:
in the most part it’s the only way to measure it, especially in countries with poor tracking.

obviously will have a percentage of error but it’s a clear irrefutable guide.
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It isn’t when there’s thousands not being checked out for other diseases or getting the care they need.

Britain is known for its ageing population, how many have died as a result of the lockdown in services ?
 
Ban-jani said:
It isn’t when there’s thousands not being checked out for other diseases or getting the care they need.

Britain is known for its ageing population, how many have died as a result of the lockdown in services ?
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hence a percentage or error. Plus things like the fact that road deaths would have plummeted during lockdown etc.

it’s still the only accurate guide we have and shouldn’t be ignored out of hand.


Edit. In an ideal world samples will have been taken from all deaths since early March for later analysis.
 
grunge said:
hence a percentage or error. Plus things like the fact that road deaths would have plummeted during lockdown etc.

it’s still the only accurate guide we have and shouldn’t be ignored out of hand.
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Road deaths aren’t as common as you think, I don’t believe the line on them making up for excess deaths.

The problem with using that data is you really don’t know why they died.
 
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