It has to, in order to justify us needing to go back into the EU.I doubt our economy would get to the state of not cutting EU mustard, but I do agree adopting the Euro and Schengen are a much tougher sell, if they were absolute requirements. My instinct is both sides might be happy to go back to how it was as it was mutually better, but obvs that all remains to be seen if and when the time comes. We'll obvs have a better idea come the end of the year and we know what deal we have or haven't got.
Built on fictitious worries about an Eu Army ... we had a veto and it would've required a referendum
The EU has already spoken about its importance in Parliament.
Built on fictitious worries about Turkey joining the Eu ... we had a veto
One member cannot stop a new member from joining. The rules are different now.
Built on fictitious worries about the UK having to join the Euro ... we had a veto.. and a requirement to have a referendum
New members must adopt the Euro. This a fact. Rejoining means the UK must adopt it.
Built on 'leaving the Eu would stop illegal immigrants' .... it wont (but you were wanting to stop them however you could)
Being in the EU didn't stop them either.
Built on any changes to the Eu treaties .... We had a veto
With all these vetos we're basically saying "we want to be in the EU, but disagree with everything being proposed". You cannot have a federal EU if one member keeps gumming up the works.
Built on changes to the tax issues ... we had a veto but voted for them anyway... it would've required a referendum nevertheless
It should be clear to you by now that having a veto doesn't stop the EU from proceeding ahead.
Built on fictitious worries about being forced into a borderless Schengen area ... we had a veto and it would've required a referendum nevertheless
Same as above. You really aren't building a good rebuttal here if all you keep mentioning is "we can say NO to everything". We just gave the EU the biggest veto possible; we veto'd our own membership BECAUSE WE DISAGREED WITH THE EU'S FUTURE.
Built on fictitious worries about losing our rebate .... we had a veto and a requirement for a referendum
Ay dios mio...
The Eu worries are living in your head mate ..... worries nothing more substantial than that ....stuff you concocted in your head .... cos of forriners
It is your obsession with the EU debate being about 'forriners' that has dominated your one and only argument. You have to link to headlines (that you don't even read) to prove a point, when it isn't even one you've thought of yourself.
Refusing to listen to leave voters concerns? Check
Condescending language towards leave voters? Check
Disregarding leave voters concerns as "fictitious"? Check
I hope you enjoy being on the losing side of every debate; it appears after 4 years you've made no effort to even attempt to understand. You'll never ever learn.
I didn't say brexit was patriotic. I said the traditional working class outlook is patriotic. Not my own idea if I'm honest - George Orwell expresses the idea much better than me. I don't see anyone,as gullible fools based upon their voting choice tbh. I personally have no need to shove people in that box just to make myself feel better.The idea that supporting brexit is patriotic is populist bollocks. When you look at Trump supporters do you think of them as more patriotic than Dems or do you think they are gullible fools?
Of course it's true. Labour 32.2%, Libdem 11.6%, SNP 3.9%, Green 2.7%, Sinn Fein 0.6%, Plaid Cymru 0.5%, SDLP 0.4%, Alliance 0.4% = 52.3%. I thank you. And the pro-revoke LibDems put on 4% which was enough to cost some Labour MPs their seats in pro-Remain areas.
I hope I don't need to go to CAS to prove this.
Your logic is flawed and limited to addition and substraction rather than facts based upon events.
You cannot prove that a single person voted for any anti-Brexit party based upon Brexit alone. Labour's numbers prove it, Labour gained 3 million more votes in 2017 than 2020 when it had a policy to honour the referendum and leave the EU!
That proves that 12.5 million people in 2017 were willing to both vote Labour and leave the EU. Add that to the Tory vote in 2017 and by your logic there is 25 million supportive of Brexit in 2017.....
And wrecking our economy so that we don't meet the criteria for joining would be a good thing because...If we rejoin the UK will need to:
Adopt Schengen
Adopt the Euro
Join the Eurozone
That is a much harder sell, even for many remainers. In fact that was one of the arguments made at the time; that if we left and had to go back in, it would be worse, so it was better off with keeping the arrangement we had. Plus if things get SO bad as is being claimed that we are in forced to be in a position to rejoin, we won't be able to as our economy wouldn't pass the EU requirements for membership.
ECJ has ruled EU-US "Privacy Shield" is invalid as it does not protect EU citizens in terms of any data exchange with US. Possible implications for Brexit if UK rejects all EU data protection.
One to watch.
From Foster/FT. The mind numbing stupidity of Brexit which mandates against frictionless trade and freedom of movement while lauding it as a positive. Funniest aspect is that Brexit also undermines the UK internal market.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...ile/901225/uk-internal-market-white-paper.pdf
I’ll keep an eye on this thread and pm you if anyone posts anything vaguely interesting ;)Nothing new to see in here then.
Correct. We're rolling back the centuries.Nothing new to see in here then.
So you don't think it's vaguely interesting, this "pivotal moment for the UK as a country to evolve its own bespoke regulatory system with certainty, which is so important for the UK’s businesses, citizens and economy as we recover from the impact of COVID"?I’ll keep an eye on this thread and pm you if anyone posts anything vaguely interesting ;)
So you don't think it's vaguely interesting, this "pivotal moment for the UK as a country to evolve its own bespoke regulatory system with certainty, which is so important for the UK’s businesses, citizens and economy as we recover from the impact of COVID"?
But then you didn't read the latest Brexit paper did you? The word "certainty" mentioned 20 times and each time because as yet there is no certainty for business.
...but might face Welsh red tape if they go to Rhyl!shhhhhh - its a truth free fact free zone - you just have to believe and rejoice in the freedom of movement around the UK that Brexit has brought us - thank fuck for that - the good folk of Moston can now travel to Audenshaw unhindered by EU red tape...................
...but might face Welsh red tape if they go to Rhyl!
I’ve heard that you guys think the UK is an insignificant ant about to be crushed by the all powerful, totally virtuous, fully united EU, about 7,000 times. I disagree. The EU will not waver from it’s red lines and we’ll be forced to concede. I disagree. I think there will be a deal and the EU will be forced to make some concessions if it wants one. However, arguing about this is pointless and a waste of time and energy, we will all find out soon enough. In the meantime there’s nothing but petty point scoring and endless whining from people who have invested far too much personal capital in whether they are proven right on a fairly insignificant thread on a politics sub forum on a football forum for fellow blues. Apart from a handful of regular contributors, nobody gives a shit.So you don't think it's vaguely interesting, this "pivotal moment for the UK as a country to evolve its own bespoke regulatory system with certainty, which is so important for the UK’s businesses, citizens and economy as we recover from the impact of COVID"?
But then you didn't read the latest Brexit paper did you? The word "certainty" mentioned 20 times and each time because as yet there is no certainty for business.
I’ve heard that you guys think the UK is an insignificant ant about to be crushed by the all powerful, totally virtuous, fully united EU, about 7,000 times. I disagree. The EU will not waver from it’s red lines and we’ll be forced to concede. I disagree. I think there will be a deal and the EU will be forced to make some concessions if it wants one. However, arguing about this is pointless and a waste of time and energy, we will all find out soon enough. In the meantime there’s nothing but petty point scoring and endless whining from people who have invested far too much personal capital in whether they are proven right on a fairly insignificant thread on a politics sub forum on a football forum for fellow blues. Apart from a handful of regular contributors, nobody gives a shit.