Salty reactions from other fans and the media

domalino said:
Don't know if this is the right thread for this, but one of the things people I keep speaking to about FFP keep quoting is the UEFA report that since FFP came in, the top division clubs across Europe have gone from making a loss of €5bn a year to a profit of €500m. They use this to show how restricting spending by people like us is a good thing.

Am I being stupid here, or would Mansour pumping 500m into transfers not change that one iota? We would make a 500m loss, but if we bought players from other top divisions club, they would get +500m. The net effect is zero, no?


In fact all that change from loss making represents is players earning a smaller % of total revenue, or clubs not buying from lower divisions.
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I can't find the report immediately, so these figures will be guesswork.

I think that losses fell across Europe by about 5billion since FFP has been introduced. However I think debt has increased by pretty much the same amount.

So UEFA are using an accounting word trick to claim that the rules are helping more than they are.

I imagine it like below but am happy to be corrected by more financially litterate folk.

Two years ago i went to the races and lost £100 on the horses
Last year I went and lost another £100.

This year the Mrs has put in place betting fair play and I can only bet the £10 she gave me.

So this year I lost another £100 at the races but my mate said he's lend me £500 to help out with going home.

Last three years I have lost £300 at the races but the Mrs thinks her new betting rules have added an extra £190 to the household pot.

She couldn't be happier and all her mates think the rules work.
 
mindmyp's_n_q's said:
I can't find the report immediately, so these figures will be guesswork.

I think that losses fell across Europe by about 5billion since FFP has been introduced. However I think debt has increased by pretty much the same amount.

So UEFA are using an accounting word trick to claim that the rules are helping more than they are.

I imagine it like below but am happy to be corrected by more financially litterate folk.

Two years ago i went to the races and lost £100 on the horses
Last year I went and lost another £100.

This year the Mrs has put in place betting fair play and I can only bet the £10 she gave me.

So this year I lost another £100 at the races but my mate said he's lend me £500 to help out with going home.

Last three years I have lost £300 at the races but the Mrs thinks her new betting rules have added an extra £190 to the household pot.

She couldn't be happier and all her mates think the rules work.
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I like that. But a good reason as well is because TV money has gone up since the " stop City" rules, ffp, came in.
 
mindmyp's_n_q's said:
I can't find the report immediately, so these figures will be guesswork.

I think that losses fell across Europe by about 5billion since FFP has been introduced. However I think debt has increased by pretty much the same amount.

So UEFA are using an accounting word trick to claim that the rules are helping more than they are.

I imagine it like below but am happy to be corrected by more financially litterate folk.

Two years ago i went to the races and lost £100 on the horses
Last year I went and lost another £100.

This year the Mrs has put in place betting fair play and I can only bet the £10 she gave me.

So this year I lost another £100 at the races but my mate said he's lend me £500 to help out with going home.

Last three years I have lost £300 at the races but the Mrs thinks her new betting rules have added an extra £190 to the household pot.

She couldn't be happier and all her mates think the rules work.
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I did see a figure that losses were down £1,1 billion last year but dept roes £1.6 billion, i just laughed at the time but was surprised others did not pick up on it
 
mindmyp's_n_q's said:
I can't find the report immediately, so these figures will be guesswork.

I think that losses fell across Europe by about 5billion since FFP has been introduced. However I think debt has increased by pretty much the same amount.

So UEFA are using an accounting word trick to claim that the rules are helping more than they are.

I imagine it like below but am happy to be corrected by more financially litterate folk.

Two years ago i went to the races and lost £100 on the horses
Last year I went and lost another £100.

This year the Mrs has put in place betting fair play and I can only bet the £10 she gave me.

So this year I lost another £100 at the races but my mate said he's lend me £500 to help out with going home.

Last three years I have lost £300 at the races but the Mrs thinks her new betting rules have added an extra £190 to the household pot.

She couldn't be happier and all her mates think the rules work.
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FFP has absolutely sweet FA to do with why clubs are making profit in European football.
The reason for it is the massive uplift in TV rights. Can’t believe this has not been pointed out to those idiots at UEFA.
 
mindmyp's_n_q's said:
I can't find the report immediately, so these figures will be guesswork.

I think that losses fell across Europe by about 5billion since FFP has been introduced. However I think debt has increased by pretty much the same amount.

So UEFA are using an accounting word trick to claim that the rules are helping more than they are.

I imagine it like below but am happy to be corrected by more financially litterate folk.

Two years ago i went to the races and lost £100 on the horses
Last year I went and lost another £100.

This year the Mrs has put in place betting fair play and I can only bet the £10 she gave me.

So this year I lost another £100 at the races but my mate said he's lend me £500 to help out with going home.

Last three years I have lost £300 at the races but the Mrs thinks her new betting rules have added an extra £190 to the household pot.

She couldn't be happier and all her mates think the rules work.
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UEFA are using to focus on P&L over balance sheet to cover up the true reality of where the money's coming from, they won't admit to that but are happy to have the wider public accuse us of it and force us to drag them through the courts to prove we didn't.
 
People on here had been mentioning Duncan Castles being especially bitter so I had a listen to a podcast of his, Very confusing attitude for him and the other presenter to take.

Apparently agents, players, people in the game and at UEFA think FFP is dead, apparently other clubs might now go nuts despite the fact we did not challenge FFP.

Also find it strange that you can hold the view that FFP is dead yet also believe we got off on a time bar technicality, If for arguments sake, Burnley decided to pay £200 million to get Neymar and pay him £1 million a week, They would get looked at by UEFA straight away assuming they play in Europe no chance for time bar issues to arise.

He was also making a big deal of non cooperation trying to argue you could now hold your accounts back from UEFA and avoid FFP and just pay a fine. So out of context compared with what actually happened its untrue.

Also he took the some issues time bared as meaning most where not, He had apparently spoken to people at UEFA who think they would have won if they had gone on procedural grounds rather than FFP grounds which I do not think make sense, I do not think they would have been able to get FFP style transfer or champions league ban by pushing procedural issues such as no cooperation, which got us the fine, rather than pushing the reinvestigation of the FFP issues such as Etihad, Fordstam, Etisalat, etc
 
WRicko said:
People on here had been mentioning Duncan Castles being especially bitter so I had a listen to a podcast of his, Very confusing attitude for him and the other presenter to take.

Apparently agents, players, people in the game and at UEFA think FFP is dead, apparently other clubs might now go nuts despite the fact we did not challenge FFP.

Also find it strange that you can hold the view that FFP is dead yet also believe we got off on a time bar technicality, If for arguments sake, Burnley decided to pay £200 million to get Neymar and pay him £1 million a week, They would get looked at by UEFA straight away assuming they play in Europe no chance for time bar issues to arise.

He was also making a big deal of non cooperation trying to argue you could now hold your accounts back from UEFA and avoid FFP and just pay a fine. So out of context compared with what actually happened its untrue.

Also he took the some issues time bared as meaning most where not, He had apparently spoken to people at UEFA who think they would have won if they had gone on procedural grounds rather than FFP grounds which I do not think make sense, I do not think they would have been able to get FFP style transfer or champions league ban by pushing procedural issues such as no cooperation, which got us the fine, rather than pushing the reinvestigation of the FFP issues such as Etihad, Fordstam, Etisalat, etc
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Don't listen to him, he makes it all up in his head the same way that he leaks transfer stories about the club he leaks, the amount of shit that the City extra twitter page prints only for you to see his name in the by-line.

I blocked them ages back for giving him the clickbait he requires to be relevant.
 
There's only one kind of financial fair play.
The old fashioned one, where they were run on a proper business model.
They should be able to finance themselves in any way that is legal, the same as any private business, which is what they all essentially are.
They either succeed or they go to the wall.
Sounds very fair to me.
 
WRicko said:
People on here had been mentioning Duncan Castles being especially bitter so I had a listen to a podcast of his, Very confusing attitude for him and the other presenter to take.

Apparently agents, players, people in the game and at UEFA think FFP is dead, apparently other clubs might now go nuts despite the fact we did not challenge FFP.

Also find it strange that you can hold the view that FFP is dead yet also believe we got off on a time bar technicality, If for arguments sake, Burnley decided to pay £200 million to get Neymar and pay him £1 million a week, They would get looked at by UEFA straight away assuming they play in Europe no chance for time bar issues to arise.

He was also making a big deal of non cooperation trying to argue you could now hold your accounts back from UEFA and avoid FFP and just pay a fine. So out of context compared with what actually happened its untrue.

Also he took the some issues time bared as meaning most where not, He had apparently spoken to people at UEFA who think they would have won if they had gone on procedural grounds rather than FFP grounds which I do not think make sense, I do not think they would have been able to get FFP style transfer or champions league ban by pushing procedural issues such as no cooperation, which got us the fine, rather than pushing the reinvestigation of the FFP issues such as Etihad, Fordstam, Etisalat, etc
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I think you're right. If they hadn't gone for us on 'FFP grounds' then we wouldn't have needed to fail to co-operate
 
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