Arsenal FA Cup SF Post-Match Thread

According to the new handball law we should have had a pen in the first half. Even if it was accidental, which I personally doubt, Xhaka's hand moves clearly towards the ball whilst he's on the ground. Of course Mcpointalot said it was accidental but that's not relevant according to the new law.
That’s not true. Accidental handball is only given as a foul if it leads to a goal. It’s a rule that treats attackers and defenders entirely differently, which is the most absurd thing in any rules for any sport ever.
 
Worrying pattern to our losses this year that many have touched upon in here. Struggling to remember a game in which we lost and were dominated by a better side. Arsenal deserve credit for a well executed plan but we have beaten ourselves yet again through such a sloppy performance.

I do wonder how this week in the media has impacted the team. Yes the CAS result was a positive, but its been so full of negativity towards the club you need hell of a mentality not let that interfere with your game.
Don’t agree. Arsenal played a simple but effective strategy to beat us (like others this season) and executed it perfectly. You have to give them credit. The strategy? Defend very compact when we have the ball, give us the wide spaces but close the channels so Dave, Raz and Kev have zero space (that’s what creates the constant recycling along the line). Encourage us to cross because our front men are small and relatively easily outjumped. Make us go high rather than low by good defensive placement on near post. When ball is retrieved move it fast and long into space and have multiple runners who can carry at pace. It only needs to work a couple of times and you have a good chance of scoring.
That we don’t have the guile to counter that is a bit worrying. Interesting to see what our ex goal stat was yesterday, I doubt it’s more than 1. As someone already posted we have problems all over the pitch, not just in defence.
 
Worst performance I've seen by our supposed first team in a long time. Also the second dogshit performance in a row. Unacceptable.

Everyone was shite. No ideas. No fight. No movement. No gameplan.

I don't mind when we lose but fuck watching performances like that. Another example from this season of us doing a spot on impression of van Gaal's United.

This whole season hasn't been good enough. My mind might be swayed by winning the Champions League but we've got more of a chance of getting shit out of a rocking horse because we have a League One defence.

Hopefully we'll be better next season because there are absolutely no excuses for this many lifeless performances.

I'd rather watch paint dry.
 
I missed the match as the match KO'd @ 4am in Sydney.

What were the main points?

CC: @shadygiz

Arteta saw Pep coming really.

First half they were 3-4-3. Pressing our defence high and man marking Silva and KDB so it forced the ball out to the flanks. We're playing inverted wingers and they packed the defence so our only attack was really to take a long time to build up down the outside of the wings, waiting for Walker and Mendy to run up and down. When crosses came in nothing fell for us or we were guilty of taking too many touches.

Second half we switched to more of a 4-4-2 shape with Sterling central and connecting midfield to Jesus. We were trying to pass through a congested centre because the wing play hadn't worked. Looked more threatening but they defended well, you csn see they'll fight for Arteta.

Finally towards the end we started playing like Dzeko was on the pitch even though all our forwards were smaller than all 3 of Arsenal's centre backs. I'd say about 20 - 30 lofted crosses and about 20-30 headers won unchallenged by David Luiz.

Arsenal deserved to win. They nullified our plan A and for a squad with our range and depth, we had no effective plan B.
 
Unbelievable after getting a brilliant decision on Monday morning from cas, the players have put in two abysmal performances since. You really would've thought it would give the players a major boost to kick on even more, but no it seems to have had the opposite effect. Typical City is still alive and well.
 
Worrying pattern to our losses this year that many have touched upon in here. Struggling to remember a game in which we lost and were dominated by a better side. Arsenal deserve credit for a well executed plan but we have beaten ourselves yet again through such a sloppy performance.
Like you I can’t think of a single game. The losses are very similar though. Packed defence, flogging away to break it down followed by speedy break outs which end up with us being punished. I’m confident Pep will come up with a solution, just hope it’s here by August.
 
Arteta saw Pep coming really.

First half they were 3-4-3. Pressing our defence high and man marking Silva and KDB so it forced the ball out to the flanks. We're playing inverted wingers and they packed the defence so our only attack was really to take a long time to build up down the outside of the wings, waiting for Walker and Mendy to run up and down. When crosses came in nothing fell for us or we were guilty of taking too many touches.

Second half we switched to more of a 4-4-2 shape with Sterling central and connecting midfield to Jesus. We were trying to pass through a congested centre because the wing play hadn't worked. Looked more threatening but they defended well, you csn see they'll fight for Arteta.

Finally towards the end we started playing like Dzeko was on the pitch even though all our forwards were smaller than all 3 of Arsenal's centre backs. I'd say about 20 - 30 lofted crosses and about 20-30 headers won unchallenged by David Luiz.

Arsenal deserved to win. They nullified our plan A and for a squad with our range and depth, we had no effective plan B.
We never have a plan b when we go behind, it's shown time and time again this season.
 
It wasn't as bad as I thought, we did get one shot on target.

The Bouremouth last hour was a prelude to this performance rather than the calm before the storm.
The insupidness of the majority of the Bournemouth display made me wonder whether the players had been told after the CAS ruling that Pep was leaving after this season. Yesterday's performance did nothing to assuage those fears
 
Don’t agree. Arsenal played a simple but effective strategy to beat us (like others this season) and executed it perfectly. You have to give them credit. The strategy? Defend very compact when we have the ball, give us the wide spaces but close the channels so Dave, Raz and Kev have zero space (that’s what creates the constant recycling along the line). Encourage us to cross because our front men are small and relatively easily outjumped. Make us go high rather than low by good defensive placement on near post. When ball is retrieved move it fast and long into space and have multiple runners who can carry at pace. It only needs to work a couple of times and you have a good chance of scoring.
That we don’t have the guile to counter that is a bit worrying. Interesting to see what our ex goal stat was yesterday, I doubt it’s more than 1. As someone already posted we have problems all over the pitch, not just in defence.

What don’t you agree with mate? Arsenal,as I said,knew how they were going to play and did it perfectly as far as they are concerned - credit to them. I don’t feel like we were dominated though we were just out thought.
 
I keep hearing different names of centre halves that we are in for, i don't know much about any of them, but whoever we buy needs to be lightening quick. Every team will set up like this against us next season apart from liverpool. Garcia looks a technically great player, but could get exposed by fast breaking teams. And can we sign a forward with some height please!
 
I got sick and fucking tired of high crosses going in that were picked off
with ease by Arsenals defenders, if your front line is 2 foot smaller than the defence
it's facing, all you rely on is luck. They set up well, Arteta had it right, they deserved it.
 
Have to say having cancelled Sky and BT Sport I managed to busy myself and avoid the score so I could watch the highlights on MOTD.

On that basis I don't feel qualified to comment on the overal performance, however I do think I can say what a fantastic first goal the arse scored.

It was vey Guardiola like, the way they played about 8 or 10 passes in their own big, then worked the ball forward fish a brilliant finish was excellent, the kind of thing we gave been able to enjoy at City over the last four years.

Credit to them and Arteta, well done Arsenal.

Though I was passed off with that filthy challenge on Merlin!
 
Arsenal scored a top goal which they are capable of but the truth is that first half was horrific. Without the ball that 11 can not defend. Terrible team selection by Pep. OK play David Silva but if you do that play some legs alongside him and not the Gundog. It's one or the other for me and many have said the same all throughout this season.
 
I got sick and fucking tired of high crosses going in that were picked off
with ease by Arsenals defenders, if your front line is 2 foot smaller than the defence
it's facing, all you rely on is luck. They set up well, Arteta had it right, they deserved it.
Mahrez and KDB got past them a few times on the right but the pull backs always got just out at the near post. I could see us getting one goal but not two. And the game was over offensively when Mahrez came off. That was stupid by Pep. Foden should have gone central and Mahrez should have stayed on.
 
Mahrez and KDB got past them a few times on the right but the pull backs always got just out at the near post. I could see us getting one goal but not two. And the game was over offensively when Mahrez came off. That was stupid by Pep. Foden should have gone central and Mahrez should have stayed on.

Yep, daft from Pep to take Mahrez off. Strange decision.
 
Within the first 10 minutes you could see the pattern of play yet we continued to bang our head against the wall.

The shortcomings in this game for me sum up our season.

1. Left footer on the right wing and right footer on the left wing, not for me. I don't mind switching to that to try something different but this is the approach 90% of the time.
2. Despite his legendary status and what he might have done in the last couple of games Silva is one season too many this year.
3. Gundo and Mendy, simply not good enough. Arsenal, like several other sides, worked out they can effectively leave Mendy out wide as all he does is smash crosses into, and mainly over, the penalty area. Teams double up on us on the right side as our attack has more finesse on that side. I think we see it as having more space on the left so target more of our attacks down that route. Gundo lacks any pace and his positional sense is baffling which are two problems you can't afford with our style of play.
4. Rhodri, jury still out on that one. Same with Cancello - not sure why we signed him. Plenty of talk on here initially that he could play either side but have we tried him on the left.
5. Foden needs a run in the team in one position rather than throwing him on to cover whoever has been taken off.
6. The centre half problem, I'll leave it at that.
7. What's gone wrong with Bernardo?
8. I understand rotation but for me it's too many too often.

This may sound like a knee jerk reaction to a couple of bad games but it sums the season up. As has been said many times on here you strengthen when at the top as it's a lot harder to do when the problems start arising.
 
Soundly beaten by the better team. Other than maybe Ederson & Walker, cannot think of anybody better than 5/10
 
Collectively not right and / because some individuals had poor games.

KDB couldn't find a blue shirt with most of his passing. Gundogan and Mahrez slow the ball too much. Jesus hardly touched it. Spanish Dave couldnt find options was Sterling even on the pitch(?).

We'll win the next one comfortably. This game sums up our problems in the league, we've had too many games this season where the attack has failed to produce when the opposition gets behind the ball.

Pep will never play a Dzeko type, or change the fundamentals of how we play and let's not forget that has won us titles, cups, a treble and the highest points total in history. So to say that's what we need is wrong.
 
Arteta saw Pep coming really.

First half they were 3-4-3. Pressing our defence high and man marking Silva and KDB so it forced the ball out to the flanks. We're playing inverted wingers and they packed the defence so our only attack was really to take a long time to build up down the outside of the wings, waiting for Walker and Mendy to run up and down. When crosses came in nothing fell for us or we were guilty of taking too many touches.

Second half we switched to more of a 4-4-2 shape with Sterling central and connecting midfield to Jesus. We were trying to pass through a congested centre because the wing play hadn't worked. Looked more threatening but they defended well, you csn see they'll fight for Arteta.

Finally towards the end we started playing like Dzeko was on the pitch even though all our forwards were smaller than all 3 of Arsenal's centre backs. I'd say about 20 - 30 lofted crosses and about 20-30 headers won unchallenged by David Luiz.

Arsenal deserved to win. They nullified our plan A and for a squad with our range and depth, we had no effective plan B.

Thanks.

If anyone was to beat (and win the cup) I'd be happy for Arteta to do it.
 
After watching that turgid team performance and inept management performance, I am at a loss as to where the current team and Pep can take City.
A major rebuild is required.
There isn't a cat in hells chance of the current team winning the CL this season.
Pep has never hung around to attempt such a thing. I'd love to see him try with us, but I'm not sure he will.
 

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