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The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Seems like we might be on the verge of a trade deal with Turkey, which is good news. The price seems to be lots more visas for Turks coming to Blighty. So, Farage was right about the Turks coming in all the time which is quite funny, if you think about it.
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Missed that one. I thought (possibly incorrectly) that Turkey cannot do a trade deal with the UK as Turkey is in the EU Custom Union so a deal has to be agreed with the EU first.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Barnier's comments yesterday about how the talks were progressing and the fallout from both sides on it, just highlights the whole nasty situation that has developed as a result of ego's, emotions, and hatred that has developed out of the situation. "Barnier's a hero! You tell those stupid Brexiteers! EU politicians so much better than UK ones!" "Barnier's an idiot! Can't wait for no deal now! A prime example of the EU's contempt for the UK!" Ugh...

Neither the EU nor the UK will give in to either's 'demands', as they're being called. The UK is being stubborn, the EU is being equally stubborn, and the cheerleaders from both sides will continue to reprimand their opponent whilst praising their advocate.

It's where we are now, this is the relationship the UK has with the EU going forward. I still advocate, as I always have, that we should have a closer partnership with the EFTA members, to have some avenue of conncetion with our partners who are current EU members, and feel that as time goes on, more and more people will see it as the logical compromise rather than being wholly separate from Europe or equally as extreme, rejoining the EU as a full member.

No deal it will be, for a while at least, until both sides come to their senses, realise what they can and cannot expect from the other as a realistic request, and acknowledge that we are both two separate entities now.
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By then it will be too late for the UK. The union will have torn itself apart by then with the drop in living standards / lack of foodstuffs etc driving the call for Independence from Scotland and possibly a call for the reunification of Ireland.
 
west didsblue said:
I guess the only hope for UK car manufacturing in a No Deal scenario is if one of the manufacturers decides to try and corner the UK market by locally manufacturing and assembling a range of cars just for domestic sales, which is what Nissan intimated they might do. Can’t see it happening though.
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No doubt the Conservatives are currently negotiating for the blueprints for the Trabant.
 
BobKowalski said:
Missed that one. I thought (possibly incorrectly) that Turkey cannot do a trade deal with the UK as Turkey is in the EU Custom Union so a deal has to be agreed with the EU first.
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I think on services we'd be fine, but we couldn't get a better deal than the EU on goods (which is the bulk of our trade with them). I think a bigger factor is given the Turkish proclivity for pissing off both the EU and US, we'd be pretty unwise to get in bed with them before either of the other 2, and imagine any negotiations would be shadowed by pressure from both anyway
 
BobKowalski said:
Missed that one. I thought (possibly incorrectly) that Turkey cannot do a trade deal with the UK as Turkey is in the EU Custom Union so a deal has to be agreed with the EU first.
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You were right.
"Turkey is a member of the EU customs union, meaning an FTA with the UK could be implemented only once Britain has secured an agreement with the European bloc. The latest round of future relationship talks between the UK and EU ended in London on Thursday. If the two sides are unable to secure a deal by the end of the year, Ankara could face a dilemma over whether to push ahead with the agreement with Britain and risk breaching EU rules."

https://www.ft.com/content/f641b245-8bf3-4b54-b7d2-13f6b423db45

With France and Turkey having a mini cold war over Turkish oil exploration off Cyprus, and Erdogan turning Hagia Sofia back into a mosque, it seems "China bad Turkey good" will be a typical Brexit boost.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Seems like we might be on the verge of a trade deal with Turkey, which is good news. The price seems to be lots more visas for Turks coming to Blighty. So, Farage was right about the Turks coming in all the time which is quite funny, if you think about it.
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Ha ha ha ha ha -oh the irony - the only time Turkey featured in Brexit was in THAT Farage poster .....................whats the deal? We supply Aunt Bessie's Yorkshire Pud's and McCain oven chips and they all get Visa's so finally, at last, all 70m of them can come here ha ha ha ha
 
bluethrunthru said:
Ha ha ha ha ha -oh the irony - the only time Turkey featured in Brexit was in THAT Farage poster .....................whats the deal? We supply Aunt Bessie's Yorkshire Pud's and McCain oven chips and they all get Visa's so finally, at last, all 70m of them can come here ha ha ha ha
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Turkey joining the Eu was a major theme on the facebook pages of the 'persuadables' as it was on their less targeted leaflet drops ... seems that we're going to let 3 million people from Hong Kong in as well as 70 million from Turkey .... all because 17.4 million don't like forriners.
 
west didsblue said:
Absolutely no surprise that the leading Brexiteers are making sure they’ll be ok post transition by investing in the EU. How long will it be before they move operations from Uttoxeter to Germany?

If that doesn’t make the leave supporters pause for a second and wonder whether they might have dropped a bollock, nothing will.
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Newsflash. It won’t.
 
west didsblue said:
Absolutely no surprise that the leading Brexiteers are making sure they’ll be ok post transition by investing in the EU. How long will it be before they move operations from Uttoxeter to Germany?

If that doesn’t make the leave supporters pause for a second and wonder whether they might have dropped a bollock, nothing will.
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Nothing will
 
west didsblue said:
Absolutely no surprise that the leading Brexiteers are making sure they’ll be ok post transition by investing in the EU. How long will it be before they move operations from Uttoxeter to Germany?

If that doesn’t make the leave supporters pause for a second and wonder whether they might have dropped a bollock, nothing will.
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I never understood why JCB supported Brexit anyway. Dim Tim I could understand as upright drinking at 8 a.m. is a peculiar British model, but why an international company already operating in the EU wanted out was very odd (Bamford has a house in France too). Investing in Germany doesn't quite match what Bamford told his workers in 2016 about the EU's diminishing importance. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36485985

A Tory donor of course (and David Davis retained as an advisor on £60k a year) but maybe he was just still miffed over being fined €39.6m in 2000 by the European commission for “very serious” antitrust violations.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
By then it will be too late for the UK. The union will have torn itself apart by then with the drop in living standards / lack of foodstuffs etc driving the call for Independence from Scotland and possibly a call for the reunification of Ireland.
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Such hysterical nonsense

The future might lead to a unified Ireland - but if the UK (genuinely) leaves the EU for a minimum of 3 years before there is an Indyref2 then no way will there be a vote for Scotland to leave the UK

The conditions required for that to happen would have led to the UK rejoining the EU first

Inconvenient for Scottish Nationalists and wider UK Remainers - but a very obvious truth when looked at with objective analysis
 
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Let’s not let the thread (or indeed others) descend into the usual nonsense please fellas. Deleted a few posts but let’s knock the goading and personal arguments on the head. As mentioned the other day, we’re moderating the threads a bit more strictly now. Thanks.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Such hysterical nonsense

The future might lead to a unified Ireland - but if the UK (genuinely) leaves the EU for a minimum of 3 years before there is an Indyref2 then no way will there be a vote for Scotland to leave the UK

The conditions required for that to happen would have led to the UK rejoining the EU first

Inconvenient for Scottish Nationalists and wider UK Remainers - but a very obvious truth when looked at with objective analysis
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So when you say Brexit will show benefit to the Uk you mean within 3 years. And enough benefit that will convince the Scots to reject independence.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
So when you say Brexit will show benefit to the Uk you mean within 3 years. And enough benefit that will convince the Scots to reject independence.
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Within that timescale it's more likely I suppose that problems leaving the union/rejoining the EU are more likely to halt or delay Scottish independence.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
So when you say Brexit will show benefit to the Uk you mean within 3 years. And enough benefit that will convince the Scots to reject independence.
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I think the interpretation is that a shit Brexit outcome will lead to us rejoining ahead of an indyref thus nullifying the wish to leave. The problem is that the independence genie will be well and truly out of the bottle by then and the Tory government’s resolute refusal to recognise this and effectively hold Scotland hostage within the UK could well lead to independence even if it looks like the UK is about to rejoin.
This Tory government has a lot to answer for already and by 2025 it will have a whole lot more.
 
west didsblue said:
I think the interpretation is that a shit Brexit outcome will lead to us rejoining ahead of an indyref this nullifying the wish to leave. The problem is that the independence genie will be well and truly out of the bottle by then and the Tory government’s resolute refusal to recognise this and effectively hold Scotland hostage within the UK could well lead to independence even if it looks like the UK is about to rejoin.
This Tory government has a lot to answer for already and by 2025 it will have a whole lot more.
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All things are possible, chuck covid in the mix and it's very difficult to predict anything. I actually think the rise of the SNP has a lot more to do with the general shit state of Labour and the Tories than Brexit.
 
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