CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

ForzaMancini said:
But it’s surely not a coincidence City’s selected arbitrator seemed to side with us on all points and the same for UEFA and their selection? I find it hard to believe both parties got lucky with their selection, must be more to it than that but I don’t know the exact details and can’t find anything about it online
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Has anyone said which arbiter voted which way. We can all presume who voted for what but it may not have been the case.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Conn was actually quite good on this until relatively recently, when he seems to have gone rogue, like some Blade Runner replicant. He was just about the only one who had this information, which appears to have been well sourced. He actually added something to the background and understanding of the 2014 settlement. But there's a bit of innuendo in there, as there always seems to be with his City stories
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It was as soon as he drank the Der Spiegel Kool-Aid. Conn and the rest of the Guardian sports department went all in
 
CAS awards are given by a majority decision, and doesn't necessarily mean 2 votes to 1.

R46 of CAS procedural rules.

"The award shall be made by a majority decision, in the absence of a majority, by the president alone"

How can there be no majority if 3 people vote!

I believe both co-arbitrators sided with City. Or wouldn't the final decision say not a majority decision, but the decision of the president of the panel.

If both co-arbitrators sided with City, the president has no need to vote. Hence majority decision.
 
Murph said:
CAS awards are given by a majority decision, and doesn't necessarily mean 2 votes to 1.

R46 of CAS procedural rules.

"The award shall be made by a majority decision, in the absence of a majority, by the president alone"

How can there be no majority if 3 people vote!

I believe both co-arbitrators sided with City. Or wouldn't the final decision say not a majority decision, but the decision of the president of the panel.

If both co-arbitrators sided with City, the president has no need to vote. Hence majority decision.
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well argued but I really think it was as simple as it looks. Other CAS decisions (say AC Milan) make no reference to a majority
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
It's quite sad actually, only last few years I woke up to it.

They aren't friends, they aren't even acquaintances, just people working you and others.

I hated what the job had turned me in to, worrying nightly what others thought about you, how I could keep earning, the people you have to suck up to.

I attended CBT therapy last year and my counsellor pretty much sat open-mouthed throughout, hearing how as a teenager I once had a telephone thrown at my head in the office, always being told I was a useless ****, people mocking me when it could clearly be seen I was upset, editors ringing me at 2am to have a go at me.

Hearing sexist comments, jobs for the boys, token offerings to minority reporters to tick a box.

I thought you had to take all that to get on and get on I did, but she explained that was not normal human behaviour, I had been taken advantage of from a very young age, straight out of school, fuelling anxieties and insecurities which will take a long time to fix.
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It’s brutal fucking business for sure. Glad to be - mostly - out of it.
 
Murph said:
Maybe there was no majority in the AC Milan case, and that was actually the presidents decision?
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All theoretically possible but I doubt it. I think it was 2-1 in City. And they very much wanted the reader to know
 
I've just read The Athletic's generous offering of explaining the 93 page judgement in a couple of sides of A4. The general tenor of the piece left me thinking that they felt Uefa made a pig's ear of the case and it allowed us to get away with it. It also makes a noticeable play on the £9m fine for not cooperating with the description that this was a 'huge' fine, and the fact that we were fined at all was sufficient evidence to have found us guilty of the main charge which CAS chucked out! They just can't or won't come to terms with the INDEPENDENT verdict! Have the RDAHMeedya been given the option of Barabbas or MCFC yet! Again, would they release The Yorkshire Ripper if it meant City ending up banned? Bastards, the whole stinking mess of 'em.

The hacks who've pieced the thing together also slip in the notion that Juve and Bayern are 'aristocrats'! Is that the same as royalty?
 
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projectriver said:
All theoretically possible but I doubt it. I think it was 2-1 in City. And they very much wanted the reader to know
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Have CAS ever delivered a unanimous verdict that you know of Stefan?

Or is a majority verdict as good as it gets?

I don't believe an independent arbitrator would go against City, when uefa had absolutely no case.

We can't let a narrative of a split decision go unquestioned.
 
Murph said:
Have CAS ever delivered a unanimous verdict that you know of Stefan?

Or is a majority verdict as good as it gets?

I don't believe an independent arbitrator would go against City, when uefa had absolutely no case.

We can't let a narrative of a split decision go unquestioned.
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From the way CAS' rules read then (R46), all those that say 'majority' decision did not go to the President to arbitrate (2-0) and those that did go to the President for decision were split decisions so with the President deciding it would be 2-1. That's the only way that the this would make sense of both City's case and Milans.
 
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Prestwich_Blue said:
Conn was actually quite good on this until relatively recently, when he seems to have gone rogue, like some Blade Runner replicant. He was just about the only one who had this information, which appears to have been well sourced. He actually added something to the background and understanding of the 2014 settlement. But there's a bit of innuendo in there, as there always seems to be with his City stories
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If you were going to describe him in one word...
 
projectriver said:
All theoretically possible but I doubt it. I think it was 2-1 in City. And they very much wanted the reader to know
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Do we know who write the award? Is it one of the judges (or their clerk)

I was thinking about this when you pulled up some of the strange and un-legal language in it during the podcast.
 
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projectriver said:
well argued but I really think it was as simple as it looks. Other CAS decisions (say AC Milan) make no reference to a majority
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I was thinking the same as Murph.


"The award shall be made by a majority decision, in the absence of a majority, by the president alone"

I’ve read that as 2 = majority without need for a Panel decision from the Chair

Can you remember what terminology was used for the decisions on the Milan case? I’m sure I’ve read ‘Panel Decision’ or something similar somewhere in our CAS report, although I stand to be corrected
 
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