COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Len Rum]

You know those 5k removed from the Government minimalist death figures, surely the cause of their deaths could be ascertained from death certificates and added back to the total ?
Just askin' like.

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

When do people think we will see the next crowd of say 40k for a home game? and indeed is that perhaps simply something of the past now

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Really? the evidence of constantly offering opinions as fact, the evidence of 100% of the tweets i have seen from him being overly optimistic even in the darkest days of this outbreak. We have come a long way since March but we still lag behind on so much on peer reviewed science, the T cell theory being just one example. I, you and he all know the dangers of presenting a one sided view of anything and how that influences the most easily swayed in society. We can only move as fast as our slowest person or else misinformation spreads. I get as i think Karen said that he deals in hope and there is definitely a place for that, an important place but as a medical professional talking out of his main field of expertise he should deal in facts not hope and conjecture. I don't see that as at all controversial.

I respect your opinion but you have offered no evidence back your claims against the Professor.

Yes he is very positive but I don’t see giving people hope is a problem as long as they highlight how important it is to comply with the Covid 19 rules.

The following comments are not aimed at your posts. Too many people’s views are dominated by their political outlook on this thread and I share the view that the Government has been a shambles. However, I can recognise, for example, when the daily mortality figures have been inflated with the impact of undermining morale (rather than making people more careful) and the need to target solutions at worst affected areas so I hope Oldham is locked down.

Regarding the outlook for cancer patients, I read that the impact could be catastrophic if access to services is limited for much longer. The Professor is right to raise this on a regular basis IMHO, just like campaigners against domestic abuse are right to raise their concerns.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

46 of the 47 infections in Scotland are in the 15-64 age rage. I realise that's a bit vague and can narrow it down further but the main point here is that only 1 is older (65-74 range)

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

When do people think we will see the next crowd of say 40k for a home game? and indeed is that perhaps simply something of the past now

Next crowd of 40k? You’re talking about lickle, no history City, so we can only dream of 40k ;-)

 

[cleavers]

we had time advantage to see and prepare for what was coming,we went our own way ,i was screaming about both and for the stopping of mass gatherings,no hindsight required,we literally had the WHO and Ita!y screaming at us to change course,we didnt

You might have been "screaming about both" yet you attended a mass gathering. At that time it was spreading quickly but we didn't know that, it was 2-3 weeks later when we knew it, and the mass gathering you attended was in the worst borough in London at the time. As I said there is an awful lot of "hindsight" about why were so bad, and yet we'd only just started to find out about the Italian spread at that point.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The UCL self reported, then tested study, sees a 15% drop in daily infection rates from last Thursday to this one. Reckons about 1400 new infections per day now, so good news.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

When do people think we will see the next crowd of say 40k for a home game? and indeed is that perhaps simply something of the past now

IMO I can't see that happening until a reliable vaccine is available.

 

[kaz7]

You might have been "screaming about both" yet you attended a mass gathering. At that time it was spreading quickly but we didn't know that, it was 2-3 weeks later when we knew it, and the mass gathering you attended was in the worst borough in London at the time. As I said there is an awful lot of "hindsight" about why were so bad, and yet we'd only just started to find out about the Italian spread at that point.

Wembley was very early,we didn't have deaths or data at that point,all the mass gatherings that followed should not have been allowed let alone boris going to the rugby and shaking hands and them at the top catching it,football shutting down did us a favour

 

[Healdplace]

US deaths worst yet past 3 months in one day 1500!

That puts our UK 'problems' into perspective right now.

 

[Healdplace]

The gov web site btw is seemingly going to continue publishing both sets of death figures and allowing you to compare.

They now show yesterday's 77 all settings deaths & total of 46,706 with a new box below stating 'Deaths within 28 days of positive test'. Allowing day to day comparison.

The second box shows yesterday that 77 and cummulative total would be on this newly adopted measure for yesterday just 20 deaths not 77 and 41,329 in total.

So 57 of yesterday's 77 do not count if you only use the 28 day measure. No wonder out of hospital deaths have been high lately compared with hospital deaths.

 

[grunge]

US deaths worst yet past 3 months in one day 1500!

That puts our UK 'problems' into perspective right now.

this is why, when I see people saying "Just open up, its fine" I laugh a little inside with despair...

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

He deals in hope not facts

None of the science has been dealing in facts though, tbf. It’s mostly informed guesswork, with some uninformed guess work thrown in, for good measure.

 

[kaz7]

None of the science has been dealing in facts though, tbf. It’s mostly informed guesswork, with some uninformed guess work thrown in, for good measure.

Why would you say that? We started dealing with real data and real patients six months ago,science is the opposite of guess work

 

[Healdplace]

The 13 UK hospital deaths today were aged between 49 and 90 and just one - aged 86 - had no known underlying health conditions.

 

[Healdplace]

Apparently the website now says they will add a 60 days death total to the 28 day one in due course - presumably replacing the current non date confined larger total.

 

[True_Blue69]

this is why, when I see people saying "Just open up, its fine" I laugh a little inside with despair...

Basing our next move on what is happening in America would be ridiculous. We have seen how the virus behaves in every location that has been impacted and some states in America are lagging behind others so are only just getting it. You wouldn't have suggested closing down the UK when Ebola or SARS were threatening to run riot in other countries so why is it so ridiculous that we should be thinking about opening up when our situation is totally different to theirs.

 

[cleavers]

Wembley was very early,we didn't have deaths or data at that point,all the mass gatherings that followed should not have been allowed let alone boris going to the rugby and shaking hands and them at the top catching it,football shutting down did us a favour

Yes, but my very point is that 1st March was already too late, but we didn't know it.

Half term was the previous week (or 2 as there is a bit of spread of weeks), where people had gone into very infected regions without knowing that they were, and they brought it back here, where it spread in the community as it had done there, without their knowledge 2 or 3 weeks earlier.

Oh and 80000 went to the rugby so why single boris out ? He didn't know, just like the other 79,999 people, that lots were already infected, and were infecting others, particularly in the southeast, where people share a transport system for work, where you can pretty much breathe straight up someone elses nose.

Were mistakes made ? Yes, and they still are being, but this is worldwide, and as you keep saying, this is a new virus, so we still know relatively little about it, but it's a whole lot more than the nothing we knew about it in early March.

 

[True_Blue69]

Why would you say that? We started dealing with real data and real patients six months ago,science is the opposite of guess work

Well science first led us to believe that 500k would die in the UK alone and quickly changed that to 20k, so I wouldn't say it can be relied on all the time. The scientists are the ones that advised the government to lock down at first and to follow the herd immunity method. You didn't seem to agree with science then.

They are guessing as much as anyone else even if it based on something more than a hunch.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

why single boris out ?

That would be because he is in charge of the fucking country, not a random rugby supporter, and a pandemic requires a societal response not an individual one.

Hope that clears it up for you.