Eric Garcia to Barcelona

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Coatigan said:
All true.

But as i pointed out on the other thread, the fans and the entitled expectation they have play as much of a part.
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You mean you want to fashion the discussion to suit your narrative? By all means, pile on


Coatigan said:
The board sack managers within 6 months, get into debt to pay for world class players or promising young talents, ship out youth players they can recoup cash on etc etc, to get instant results, or if they dont see a return straight away, because they have to please.

And that pressure isn't going away, when the new lot take over. Hence the original by the other poster, point you said had no logic, same problems and difficulties will still exist. I doubt they will have the time needed to truly tackle them. Will always have to maibtain a level of success and that comes at a cost.
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Board hired a non Cruyffist in Valverde the same summer Neymar flew to Paris - a staunch 4-4-2 man who has never known to boast an attacking side as coach. Then persisted him despite debacles against Roma & Anfield. Nothing to do with fans but a board trying to consolidate control by appointing yes men to carry out their project that has been devoid of any sporting logic. Most fans never advocated for either Coutinho or Griezmann but they did it anyway and that's only the big failures - you can die from a thousand small cuts too
 
FCBarca said:
Board hired a non Cruyffist in Valverde the same summer Neymar flew to Paris - a staunch 4-4-2 man who has never known to boast an attacking side as coach. Then persisted him despite debacles against Roma & Anfield. Nothing to do with fans but a board trying to consolidate control by appointing yes men to carry out their project that has been devoid of any sporting logic. Most fans never advocated for either Coutinho or Griezmann but they did it anyway and that's only the big failures - you can die from a thousand small cuts too
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Again true, even with the bit of revisionism in that.

Time will tell. Either way, i do wish Barca well, always liked the club, eventhough i'm happy to call out their fans' or hierarchy's bollocks when at it.
 
FCBarca said:
You mean you want to fashion the discussion to suit your narrative? By all means, pile on




Board hired a non Cruyffist in Valverde the same summer Neymar flew to Paris - a staunch 4-4-2 man who has never known to boast an attacking side as coach. Then persisted him despite debacles against Roma & Anfield. Nothing to do with fans but a board trying to consolidate control by appointing yes men to carry out their project that has been devoid of any sporting logic. Most fans never advocated for either Coutinho or Griezmann but they did it anyway and that's only the big failures - you can die from a thousand small cuts too
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There is an element of both takes being true. Yes the board have turned the club in to something it never was, a galactico / reactionary model of management more akin to the other spanish club none of us like.

But name me a fan base that doesn't get excited and creme their pants over a big signing. Big signings are celebrated more than winning matches now. Its almost like two games going on - the one on the pitch and the one of it where fans cheer on the financial power of their club. Fans even cheering on a new sponsorship - its sad and we do it as much as anyone else.

The key to success on the pitch, in my view, comes in one of two ways; having a long term consistent management of the squad where you know exactly what you want your team to look like and you constantly develop and buy players in line with that mold improving year on year until you hit the top / maintain top level.

Or, you buy in big managers who bring their own philosophy and expect to be given teh funds to buy teh best players in the worlds and you fit a good squad around a couple of worldy's and expect results straight up - if it doesn't work you rinse and repeat.

The fact two Barca galactico signings came of the bench late on and one got two goals and an assist although was on loan at the other side says it all.
Type 1 works better but you need patience from all involved fans and management, its long term - it should always be long term. Clubs often shit the bed and throw themselves into type 2 which only works with masses of money and you take the hits and misses on the way.
 
FCBarca said:
Messi is the best, ever. His story is not over. You’re fooling only yourself if you think there wouldn’t be a long line of suitors
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He is, but there won't be a long line of clubs after him, not now. For all the reasons others have noted.

How long is a peice of long line.
 
Coatigan said:
He is, but there won't be a long line of clubs after him, not now. For all the reasons others have noted.

How long is a peice of long line.
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Messi looks very tired over the last 18 months- 2 years , personally think he should have left Barca sometime ago.
 
Keeper! said:
Messi looks very tired over the last 18 months- 2 years , personally think he should have left Barca sometime ago.
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So do I. He'd do well at inter, or PSG.

Probably broadly the extent of that line though.
 
Gaudion M said:
The key to success on the pitch, in my view, comes in one of two ways; having a long term consistent management of the squad where you know exactly what you want your team to look like and you constantly develop and buy players in line with that mold improving year on year until you hit the top / maintain top level.
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That's the model, the model that this board abandoned & proactively undermined right from the off - taking away the honorary title from Cruyff, precedent was set. Everything since has been a trickle down effect
 
I hope Pep and the lads got a good night's sleep last night, it must of been hard too sleep with all the banging Garcia was doing on Peps door, demanding a contract extension, Barca are Barca and will always have a pull, but we are currently a far better prospect.
 
FCBarca said:
Messi is the best, ever. His story is not over. You’re fooling only yourself if you think there wouldn’t be a long line of suitors
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No one will match his wages, plus transfer fee,
China maybe,USA doubt it,
And if he goes there,he might as well stay put as the standard of football is pretty poor,
Wouldn't have him at city now and I doubt the business/marketing side would,with regard the pandemic situation,
So get off your fking high horse and smell the roses.
 
kippax4ever said:
No one will match his wages, plus transfer fee,
China maybe,USA doubt it,
And if he goes there,he might as well stay put as the standard of football is pretty poor,
Wouldn't have him at city now and I doubt the business/marketing side would,with regard the pandemic situation,
So get off your fking high horse and smell the roses.
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Know what you are talking about if you want to weigh in on something. There will be no transfer fee for one while wages will never be an issue, if he has a preference on where to play

You're living in fantasy land otherwise
 
Neville Kneville said:
I'm terrified that now Barca's pathetic, outdated, defensive system has been comprehensively destroyed, they will sack the people who tapped up Garcia & the new manager will correctly identify the need for defenders who can actually defend.

Then we'll be stuck with the little shit.
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There are other La Liga clubs we could sell too. Or move on him to another european club. I don't think he will play for us.
 
kippax4ever said:
No one will match his wages, plus transfer fee,
China maybe,USA doubt it,
And if he goes there,he might as well stay put as the standard of football is pretty poor,
Wouldn't have him at city now and I doubt the business/marketing side would,with regard the pandemic situation,
So get off your fking high horse and smell the roses.
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He could always go to the Qatari League with Xavi for a couple of seasons.
 
FCBarca said:
It's never down to one thing/failure but a collection over a decade - from the erosion of the very foundation of the club in terms of youth development & the cantera to sporting philosophy with coaching selections & player recruitment. It's been aimless and geared at galactico signings rather than a sporting project, to play a corporate shell game of moving assets around rather than building something sustainable. It is simple to see, complicated to course correct without wholesale changes at the board level. The board determines the choices: La Masia, coaches, recruitment & outlook to avert scenarios like the one they currently are in. I have only posted about this since even before Rosell & Bartomeu took office. I knew what to expect from corporate clowns who have never ran a club successfully

Group Godo rubberstamping their failures has helped the cancerous board consolidate their power despite all evidence underscoring the need to resign. This is the entorno that Guardiola has previously spoken about. Now in the aftermath, we'll see if cooler heads prevail & a badly needed course correction happens or they will double down with Rosell. Up to the socis now, much like in Trump land - vote the cancer out or succumb to sinking further into the abyss
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Perhaps they need to stop with the whole romantic guff about the club and treat it like a proper business
 
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