Seasoncard Amnesty

warringtonblue said:
So a meeting doesn’t count?
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Not as consultation - with 1+ person as you stated, most fans have heard nothing from the club and it is all gossip and hearsay so far.

This behind closed doors we know what's best for you stuff isn't befitting of an organisation with 'members'. Consulting fans would be a better idea and can be done quickly.
 
Corky said:
Not as consultation - with 1+ person as you stated, most fans have heard nothing from the club and it is all gossip and hearsay so far.

This behind closed doors we know what's best for you stuff isn't befitting of an organisation with 'members'. Consulting fans would be a better idea and can be done quickly.
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I'm guessing that with the COVID situation and no evidence to suggest when it will be properly safe to enter ours or any other stadium - whatever the number allowed in, the club have nothing concrete to consult us on ? It would be all speculation. With Manchester still subject to restrictions in the middle of August, there's no way the two stadiums will open to fans any time soon.
 
Corky said:
Not as consultation - with 1+ person as you stated, most fans have heard nothing from the club and it is all gossip and hearsay so far.

This behind closed doors we know what's best for you stuff isn't befitting of an organisation with 'members'. Consulting fans would be a better idea and can be done quickly.
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Serious question Corky. What would you want/expect to be consulted on? A lot of things are still very unclear and similarly a lot of stuff will be mandated by the authorities so no one will have any say about.
 
SouthStandStander said:
Calm down crackpot.
Once you have, tell me where I have blamed the club.
I said "City will lose out by putting these rules in place."
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Yes but it's not City's choice. They can't ignore something that they've been told is a conditiion of readmitting fans. I've just come off another City Matters meeting and we believe that this will impact fans and probably a significant number, probably older fans, would give up completely. We're talking about one season but it could be two, three or even more before fans are allowed back in properly in the worst case scenario. The club is going to have think very carefully about how we attract new fans. That's something I've said previously but the current situation will exacerbate.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Serious question Corky. What would you want/expect to be consulted on? A lot of things are still very unclear and similarly a lot of stuff will be mandated by the authorities so no one will have any say about.
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The club's proposed changes that are being discussed in this thread.

E.g. If we implement this (proposal x) what would be the unintended consequences.

They are clearly considering things, and when they have dates, seat numbers/patterns, guidance on vomitories, aisles, concourses, toilets and admission procedures all finalised there will be no time to consult. There are several pieces of draft guidance so they have an idea of what is likely to happen.

Strict ID checks will affect the poorest fans who share season tickets, that is one thing that could have been consulted on if they are proposing it. There is discretion on making places COVID-secure, and companies come up with their own solutions, the social distancing guidance for sports grounds doesn't mandate how you do it.

For the best example they should look at how they let fans return in the Danish league.
 
Corky said:
The club's proposed changes that are being discussed in this thread.

E.g. If we implement this (proposal x) what would be the unintended consequences.

They are clearly considering things, and when they have dates, seat numbers/patterns, guidance on vomitories, aisles, concourses, toilets and admission procedures all finalised there will be no time to consult. There are several pieces of draft guidance so they have an idea of what is likely to happen.

Strict ID checks will affect the poorest fans who share season tickets, that is one thing that could have been consulted on if they are proposing it. There is discretion on making places COVID-secure, and companies come up with their own solutions, the social distancing guidance for sports grounds doesn't mandate how you do it.

For the best example they should look at how they let fans return in the Danish league.
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That's one of the reasons I often talk about things on here as, among all the abuse, I do sometimes get some useful feedback that I wouldn't otherwise have been aware of.
 
Just as an addendum type thing: I have been involved in a H&S risk assessment recently for returners. Twenty odd pages. Every time you thought you might have solved one problem someone would mention something else! So I can really appreciate what City and the CMs are having to go through. We only had a few hundred to think about the club has thousands.
Just trying to give some perspective and another point of view.
 
Corky said:
The club's proposed changes that are being discussed in this thread.

E.g. If we implement this (proposal x) what would be the unintended consequences.

They are clearly considering things, and when they have dates, seat numbers/patterns, guidance on vomitories, aisles, concourses, toilets and admission procedures all finalised there will be no time to consult. There are several pieces of draft guidance so they have an idea of what is likely to happen.

Strict ID checks will affect the poorest fans who share season tickets, that is one thing that could have been consulted on if they are proposing it. There is discretion on making places COVID-secure, and companies come up with their own solutions, the social distancing guidance for sports grounds doesn't mandate how you do it.

For the best example they should look at how they let fans return in the Danish league.
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Clubs I think are very much in the infancy of their planning. You are correct the clubs are in receipt of the supplementary guidance docs for covid 19, but only for four weeks are so.

The docs provides guidance on a lot of different scenarios, in relation to arrangement in seats, concourses, toilets, getting fans into the ground, travel etc.

Its a pretty huge undertaking to firstly determine how to ensure social distancing throughout the stadium, including arrival, allocation of seats, deciding how to allocate tickets eg groups rather than individuals would result in huge variations in capacities. Then I presume they will have to follow this methodology for all possible scenarios, including the 3 possible methods of social distancing 1 metre, 2 metres and 1 metre (from the central part of the body). I very much doubt the club is anywhere near that far down the lines and as evidenced by this thread consulting will only lead to a vast wide ranging number of opinions for scenarios which may be redundant in 3/4 months time and only upset people in the short term.

I do understand your point about the season ticket sharing issue and the club has probably turned a blind eye to this for years. However in a post Covid world I think its less likely they will be able to so as there argument would be for track and trace to be effective it requires the fastest response time. Chasing up other ‘registered persons’ would delay this and give a green light for others to share tickets if multiple users was the accepted norm.
 
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We shouldn't be scrambling around on this forum and Cheesey's podcast to get information about all of this. The silence from the club is deafening. I learnt nothing from the podcast about measures the club are putting in place, the safety measures, ballots, ticketing etc etc etc just lots of questions.

There are answers to a lot of these things and the club should communicate rather than leave us half guessing via what CM Reps can or can't say.

Fairly sure I've had just two emails since the season was suspended?
 
RegMuffin said:
We shouldn't be scrambling around on this forum and Cheesey's podcast to get information about all of this. The silence from the club is deafening. I learnt nothing from the podcast about measures the club are putting in place, the safety measures, ballots, ticketing etc etc etc just lots of questions.

There are answers to a lot of these things and the club should communicate rather than leave us half guessing via what CM Reps can or can't say.

Fairly sure I've had just two emails since the season was suspended?
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I completely agree that quite often the club's communication is poor or even non-existent. And we tell them that. But nothing is set in stone yet nor has the current plan been agreed and signed off by Omar Berrada/Ferran Soriano. And the general situation is also quite volatile so nothing can happen while we're in this lockdown situation that we're currently in.

If the club came out and said "We don't know when fans will be allowed back in the ground. We don't know how many will be allowed in when and if they are. Nor have we any idea how we'll allocate however many tickets we'll be allowed to sell or how we'll get people into and out of grounds. And we still can't decide whether food, drink and toilets will be managed" then people would say it was a ridiculous communication. But that's largely where we're at currently.

The seasoncard amnesty is the first thing that will happen and I think we've sorted all the details of that out, subject to the club's sign-off. Once that happens then the communication process will start.
 
I had an email on Thursday regarding next season.
It seems the club have not been given final information yet, but it appears that you will be allocated games that you are eligible for.
By hospitality... they mean Joes Bar. I paid a £400 deposit back in February for this season.
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The perfect fumble said:
Apologies if already posted, but this is a must listen if you're wondering what attending a match is likely to be like going forward......

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2 CM 'reps', one says ST amnesty is a reaction to COVID govt guidelines and rules regarding getting fans back into stadia with track and trace


the other says it's something they've been considering for 12 months.


Which is it?
 
quiet_riot said:
2 CM 'reps', one says ST amnesty is a reaction to COVID govt guidelines and rules regarding getting fans back into stadia with track and trace


the other says it's something they've been considering for 12 months.


Which is it?
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It was an issue before, now it really is an issue for a very different reason.

They made that clear.
 
The perfect fumble said:
It was an issue before, now it really is an issue for a very different reason.

They made that clear.
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Which is it indeed.

CM are backing the club to offer an amnesty and the club are using it as an opportunity to enable track and trace. Won't work. The ticket sharing scenario will not go away, regardless of an amnesty.

Other clubs are just asking fans to reconfirm their details. I've yet to be told why City need a system of track and trace aside from this amnesty. Why do they need to assure whoever that everyone in the stadium is the season ticket holder?

Pretty straightforward to me.... If you can't go how about you log in to the ticket site and tell them who is in your seat if you are not. Not difficult, will only apply to about 10% of a capacity of 20,000 and they've had 5 months to sort it out.
 
Maybe they need a new kind of seasoncard, a Family and Friends one.
Maybe limit it to the main name and two alternates. ID for three should be manageable if ID is a requirement.
Though I'm sure if they did, it would be at a slightly higher price in return for the flexibility, maybe £50 or £75 more.
 
RegMuffin said:
Which is it indeed.

CM are backing the club to offer an amnesty and the club are using it as an opportunity to enable track and trace. Won't work. The ticket sharing scenario will not go away, regardless of an amnesty.

Other clubs are just asking fans to reconfirm their details. I've yet to be told why City need a system of track and trace aside from this amnesty. Why do they need to assure whoever that everyone in the stadium is the season ticket holder?

Pretty straightforward to me.... If you can't go how about you log in to the ticket site and tell them who is in your seat if you are not. Not difficult, will only apply to about 10% of a capacity of 20,000 and they've had 5 months to sort it out.
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Funny how some posters suddenly come out of the woodwork when there's a chance to be negative and have a go at City Matters.

This is primarily about fans confirming contact details. If you're using someone else's ticket then by definition they haven't got your details. They have to track and trace because they have been told to, just like pubs & other places. You will have to apply for a ticket in advance and it's a requirement to know who is in the stadium and where they're sat. I understand that this will be a problem for those who genuinely share tickets but that's tough unfortunately.

Now, I've got a game to watch.
 
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