Saddleworth2
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on the evidence of the last 4 seasons. Thats an unequivocal no.
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Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)
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I'm going to preface this by saying that I know I'm going to come off as an entitled twat...
...but for most of my adult life, City have been a really good team. I didn't live through the many "typical City" or "same old city" moments.
Still, I feel like we need to evaluate Pep's performance. This season, for me, was no better than Pellegrini's final year albeit with a much better squad.
Repeated failures in the CL, the makeshift defense, etc need to be put under a microscope more. I understand that this is the best few years in City's history.
While Pep is arguably the greatest manager of our generation, some times a new face, a new voice can make the difference. I am unsure whether I want Pep to sign an extension or not. I do not know who would come in to take us to the next level or fix our multiple issues with defense and/or defensive system.
I love what Pep has done, I truly do but one thing that always irked me was when he would, during CL, talk about how "we're not ready", we're "teenagers" in the competition, we don't have the history of the "elite" cartel teams. It may be true but constantly harping on it doesn't really do anything. That doesn't give off confidence. If anything, Pep's tactics during CL knockout stages have shown insecurity and fear. Against Liverpool, first leg, our setup was based off fear and caution. Same thing against Tottenham, first leg and against Lyon. He famously said "we need to learn to play football with courage". He needs to show that in his setup and lineup selection.
FurthermoreI couldn't care less about history. We're City, we don't live in the past. We make our own history.
If we are set up with the right tactics and playing our game, how we play, we can go toe to toe against anyone. I truly believe that.
Anyone with a brain could've seen that playing a midfield with Ferna, Rodri and Gundogan would be suicide. There is literally no energy in that midfield. Also, I understand it's not just Pep and there were numerous individual errors but the blame lies at the helm. I don't think the setup was the right call to put the players in the best position to win.
I have more, jumbled thoughts about this and everything else but I don't even know how to type it out. I'm sure it's just emotions and I'm upset at the loss but whatever.
I'll still 100% support Pep, any player that wears our shirt and the club but as fans we have the right to feel emotional and critical of the club we love when expectations aren't met.
...but for most of my adult life, City have been a really good team. I didn't live through the many "typical City" or "same old city" moments.
Still, I feel like we need to evaluate Pep's performance. This season, for me, was no better than Pellegrini's final year albeit with a much better squad.
Repeated failures in the CL, the makeshift defense, etc need to be put under a microscope more. I understand that this is the best few years in City's history.
While Pep is arguably the greatest manager of our generation, some times a new face, a new voice can make the difference. I am unsure whether I want Pep to sign an extension or not. I do not know who would come in to take us to the next level or fix our multiple issues with defense and/or defensive system.
I love what Pep has done, I truly do but one thing that always irked me was when he would, during CL, talk about how "we're not ready", we're "teenagers" in the competition, we don't have the history of the "elite" cartel teams. It may be true but constantly harping on it doesn't really do anything. That doesn't give off confidence. If anything, Pep's tactics during CL knockout stages have shown insecurity and fear. Against Liverpool, first leg, our setup was based off fear and caution. Same thing against Tottenham, first leg and against Lyon. He famously said "we need to learn to play football with courage". He needs to show that in his setup and lineup selection.
FurthermoreI couldn't care less about history. We're City, we don't live in the past. We make our own history.
If we are set up with the right tactics and playing our game, how we play, we can go toe to toe against anyone. I truly believe that.
Anyone with a brain could've seen that playing a midfield with Ferna, Rodri and Gundogan would be suicide. There is literally no energy in that midfield. Also, I understand it's not just Pep and there were numerous individual errors but the blame lies at the helm. I don't think the setup was the right call to put the players in the best position to win.
I have more, jumbled thoughts about this and everything else but I don't even know how to type it out. I'm sure it's just emotions and I'm upset at the loss but whatever.
I'll still 100% support Pep, any player that wears our shirt and the club but as fans we have the right to feel emotional and critical of the club we love when expectations aren't met.
I don't act like anything. I'm stating facts. The reality is that this club does spend a lot on overall transfers but doesn't like to pay over the odds for a single player. That sometimes puts us at a disadvantage in transfer negotiations.You act as if we will land everyone we want. Doesn't happen won't happen. That is the reason why clubs have shortlist of players. And we weren't going to pay over the odds for CBD or Maguire
Done with this conversation. You've lost it. Good day.He wanted Alves, Sanchez, Jorginho, and Maguire , not only is he losing the plot in the Champions League, also in picking a player!
And Mbappe never wanted to sign for us, he made that clear, he did not want to move to Manchester.
What's wrong with what I said?Done with this conversation. You've lost it. Good day.
VVD a major loss, the 4 I mentioned have signed for other clubs and have totally failed.
Saddleworth2
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I dont believe that is entitled. A great many will feel the same. Should we not expect better than that from the best coach in the world and one of the very best squads. Playing a team who are ranked below Southampton and Burnley.I'm going to preface this by saying that I know I'm going to come off as an entitled twat...
...but for most of my adult life, City have been a really good team. I didn't live through the many "typical City" or "same old city" moments.
Still, I feel like we need to evaluate Pep's performance. This season, for me, was no better than Pellegrini's final year albeit with a much better squad.
Repeated failures in the CL, the makeshift defense, etc need to be put under a microscope more. I understand that this is the best few years in City's history.
While Pep is arguably the greatest manager of our generation, some times a new face, a new voice can make the difference. I am unsure whether I want Pep to sign an extension or not. I do not know who would come in to take us to the next level or fix our multiple issues with defense and/or defensive system.
I love what Pep has done, I truly do but one thing that always irked me was when he would, during CL, talk about how "we're not ready", we're "teenagers" in the competition, we don't have the history of the "elite" cartel teams. It may be true but constantly harping on it doesn't really do anything. That doesn't give off confidence. If anything, Pep's tactics during CL knockout stages have shown insecurity and fear. Against Liverpool, first leg, our setup was based off fear and caution. Same thing against Tottenham, first leg and against Lyon. He famously said "we need to learn to play football with courage". He needs to show that in his setup and lineup selection.
FurthermoreI couldn't care less about history. We're City, we don't live in the past. We make our own history.
If we are set up with the right tactics and playing our game, how we play, we can go toe to toe against anyone. I truly believe that.
Anyone with a brain could've seen that playing a midfield with Ferna, Rodri and Gundogan would be suicide. There is literally no energy in that midfield. Also, I understand it's not just Pep and there were numerous individual errors but the blame lies at the helm. I don't think the setup was the right call to put the players in the best position to win.
I have more, jumbled thoughts about this and everything else but I don't even know how to type it out. I'm sure it's just emotions and I'm upset at the loss but whatever.
I'll still 100% support Pep, any player that wears our shirt and the club but as fans we have the right to feel emotional and critical of the club we love when expectations aren't met.
nellyonthewing
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This is starting to remind me of the last spell of Malcolm Allison’s time with us. Everyone acknowledged he was a ‘genius’ but without someone to moderate his increasing poor judgment it did not end well.
Onholiday(somemightsay)
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I think this is the more reasoned position.For me, he needs to either commit his future to the club this summer, or leave this summer. Going into a rebuild with uncertainty over the manager’s future would be a recipe for disaster.
With the best will in the world we have seen on numerous occasions spanning a lot of clubs that a Manager known to be in their last 12 months tend to struggle.
If he has no intention of staying and one of our favoured candidates is / can be made available, then surely we look towards the next 5 years instead of the next 12 months?
There were some bad individual errors during the game, but our team selection and formation nullified our array of attacking talent and the way we play 99% of the time.
richards30
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Without question I want pep to stay for years to come , I just want him to trust our best players in the best formation?! When the dippers play a big game you instantly know who’s playing for them and klopp trusts his players to do the business? Pep over thinks constantly and I wonder if that at times gets to the players? Last night he should have shit Lyon up when they seen our team sheet yet I’m sure it give them a boost seeing our midfield set up the way it did?! De Bruyne looked totally fucked off and pep not even bringing on Bernardo and Foden at any point was truly incredible!
Kokonut1307
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How the fuck on earth does he manage to bottle CL games consistently? I understand the need for tinkering and accept it when we are up against a better opponent, but against Lyon? Sacrificing our attacking output to let Lyon defend better. I can bet Bayern will not be changing their tactic or formation against them for the SF, and will easily roll them over. This has to be up there with the one of his most embarrassing games. I hate Klopp but he never tinkered with his teams and got them to play their style consistently. Got them two CL finals whilst we are fannying about in the QFs and getting knocked out by inferior sides. I love Pep and see him as the best manager but Jesus fucking Christ he is incompetent in the CL.
Onholiday(somemightsay)
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Actually to be fair, it was an excellent bit of defending from Garcia.So it was unfortunate, then? Garcia reacted well enough, but his tackle fell to their player, rather than safely.
That being said, I don’t know why Pep doesn’t have pace as one of his central defender’s necessities. Play a high line; have the ability to get back quickly if a ball goes over the top of it.
The failing came from Walker not tracking back and allowing the forward to finish unchallenged (albeit it was a great finish).......
Mayor West
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For the people comparing sacking Ferguson every time he had a bad defeat, difference is he almost never had one of the best squads in Europe, and when he did, he went and won the bloody thing. Generally he got above average players performing at a higher level and when they did lose, it was to vastly superior teams. Guardiola fucks up against bang average teams time and time again.
For the people comparing sacking Ferguson every time he had a bad defeat, difference is he almost never had one of the best squads in Europe, and when he did, he went and won the bloody thing. Generally he got above average players performing at a higher level and when they did lose, it was to vastly superior teams. Guardiola fucks up against bang average teams time and time again.
Ferguson has the most expensive squad for twenty years had referees and premier licking his arse for the majority of that time and oh yep he never lost or lost the plot team picking against shit sides. Red tinted glasses you looking threw there.
Onholiday(somemightsay)
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If we had squeaked through last night, it would have been a bit of a travesty to Lyon to be fair.Sterling should have equalised, he did not, is that VAR's fault as well.
Smell the coffee , we were terrible we deserved nothing.
We didn't deserve to qualify............
Guardiola has been brilliant. He is a record breaker and we play outstanding football. Only idiots believe otherwise and this morning's posts are, to a large part, embarrassing and emotionally driven.
Last night was poor. He got it wrong. Eterson got it wrong, VAR got it wrong and Raz got it wrong. Bad night.
Last night was poor. He got it wrong. Eterson got it wrong, VAR got it wrong and Raz got it wrong. Bad night.
Let me start off by saying I LOVE Pep and have no desire to see him move on.
All the end of the PL season, Pep was pretty consistent in his formations and selections, and now for this match it goes out the window.
I understand that you need different formations for different matches, but surely you don't need to come up with a new formation for each match - you can have plans a, b, c, and d. But when was the last time that we played a back 3 with Gundogan and Rodri in front of them?
The thing we have as a team, always, is goal threat. That's what will keep opposing managers awake at night. But we didn't put that team on the pitch. Why select a side in which the back 5 plus two midfielders offer no serious threat?
After their success RM match, I genuinely feel sorry for some of the players, as they must wonder how well they need to play for Pep to stick with them. (unless some of them were fatigued).
All the end of the PL season, Pep was pretty consistent in his formations and selections, and now for this match it goes out the window.
I understand that you need different formations for different matches, but surely you don't need to come up with a new formation for each match - you can have plans a, b, c, and d. But when was the last time that we played a back 3 with Gundogan and Rodri in front of them?
The thing we have as a team, always, is goal threat. That's what will keep opposing managers awake at night. But we didn't put that team on the pitch. Why select a side in which the back 5 plus two midfielders offer no serious threat?
After their success RM match, I genuinely feel sorry for some of the players, as they must wonder how well they need to play for Pep to stick with them. (unless some of them were fatigued).
You can't get it wrong in games against the 7th best team in France.Guardiola has been brilliant. He is a record breaker and we play outstanding football. Only idiots believe otherwise and this morning's posts are, to a large part, embarrassing and emotionally driven.
Last night was poor. He got it wrong. Eterson got it wrong, VAR got it wrong and Raz got it wrong. Bad night.
That was our biggest game of the season, the type of game you buy the best players for and obtain the best manager.
Incredibly we have reached the level where we play very few meaningful fixtures every season, in most games our b team could beat the opposition comfortably.
This season we have failed far too many times, and far too many times we have got it wrong, not acceptable for me and I am 99.9% certain utterly unacceptable to our owner.
Exeter Blue I am here
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Oh man, don't you start. Who exactly is going to do a better job than Pep?
It’s not about other people is it? The questions are:
1. Do our owners want to win to the Champions League?
2. Is Pep capable/likely of delivering that goal?
I’d argue that on the evidence to date the answers are currently ‘yes’ and ‘no’.
We’ve lost 11 times this season across all competitions and, with the exception of Liverpool away, each defeat has been a carbon copy of the previous one. Unable to break down a low block at one end of the field without crossing and heading as a viable option, and undone by simple balls over the top at the other end. If Pep’s going to continue to buy players of a certain type - and another moderately paced 5ft 11’ centre half doesn’t fill me with particular confidence - then he’s going to have to pay some heed to physicality and pace as well as comfort on the ball, surely? You don’t have to be good to beat us at the moment, just organised and with a quick muscular forward at your disposal, and one of the things that concerns me most is that if anything we’ve been no better defensively since Laporte, our lynchpin, returned to the team than we were when he was out injured. Caught square on at the back again and again, always someone playing the opposition onside, appalling cockups from Mendy or Stones every 4th game they play in, Otamendi diving in off his feet cos he hasn’t got the pace to jockey anyone away from goal, Garcia pulling the shirt off his opponent’s back cos he hasn’t got the strength or pace to contain them otherwise. All accomplished with the ball at their feet of course, but letting the opposition score from barely a handful of chances as a matter of routine. 3 from 6 again last night. Not quite as bad as the 4 from 5 against Spurs home and away this season, but indicative of a pattern that we seem incapable of rectifying.
I don’t want Pep gone for one second. We play beautiful football under his tutelage, but if he doesn’t start adjusting the composition of his squad some time soon (and he’s already had a King’s ransom to spend) to address its very obvious shortcomings, then people are bound to ask if we might be better off considering an alternative, given that we have such a specific goal in mind. That was a car crash last night, on a par with the suicidal ‘box’ formation he unveiled at Anfield in the QF’s 2 years ago that enabled Robertson and TAA to charge up and down the flanks unchallenged, and the fact that we all knew what was coming from the moment the team sheet was announced has to be a concern, doesn’t it?