Kalidou Koulibaly

ctid1894 said:
Equally spending more money on Koulibaly or whoever doesn't mean he's necessarily a better pick than anyone else. It's just about lowering the risk, Koulibaly is high risk because it's hit or miss, you ain't selling him on if it goes wrong. Upamecano is high risk too but at least there's a chance of recovering some money if it goes wrong due to his age and reinvesting it on another CB, much like we'll probably end up doing with Stones now.

A younger player simply gives us more opportunities if it goes wrong, edging your bets as such.
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Why do you worry about costs and sell on value. Who outside of the club needs to give a shit. It’s Monopoly money to us mere mortals so if the club think he’s what we need, fine with me because my scouting / football manager Ability is not on my skills list
 
Gumzy97 said:
That italian journalist reported the Cancelo Danilo swap deal first out of everyone.
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excuse me,nobody knew about cancelo until the magnificent "peace frog" was told he was flying into mcr airport,the lad who told me even sent me picks of him arriving, im fucking taking an ITK for that one, thank you very much :)
 
Clercqs said:
Context is needed mate. Against Spurs 2-2 we missed tons of chances and they scored a long shot (Ederson mistake) and a corner. Apart from that they didn't create anything which shows we defended great in that game.
Newcastle scored a screamer to make it 2-2 and we didn't really condede any chances in that game either. Against Wolves we were 1 man down the whole game basically.

With that said obviously our defence is a problem atm and needs an upgrade long term, I'm not sure Koulibaly is the answer though.
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Context really is needed.

We have to score 2 or more goals in every game, in order to be confident if wining, because we can't defend & if we aren't running away with games, bullying people & the opposition score, there's a decent chance we won't even get a draw out of a game we will likely score 1 & win, if we are professional about it.

Koulibaly, imo, is a stop gap to help shore up that problem. We will still need a long term answer.
 
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ctid1894 said:
If we had more pace and width in attack (Sane/Torres hopefully) and more intensity and stamina in midfield to press quicker and higher (Bernardo/Foden instead of Silva/Gundogan), teams wouldn't attack us as frequently and the defensive problems wouldn't be as exposed.
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They don't need to attack us frequently, they just need to boot it & have 1 or 2 players run after it.
 
ctid1894 said:
Equally spending more money on Koulibaly or whoever doesn't mean he's necessarily a better pick than anyone else. It's just about lowering the risk, Koulibaly is high risk because it's hit or miss, you ain't selling him on if it goes wrong. Upamecano is high risk too but at least there's a chance of recovering some money if it goes wrong due to his age and reinvesting it on another CB, much like we'll probably end up doing with Stones now.

A younger player simply gives us more opportunities if it goes wrong, edging your bets as such.
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The likelihood of a deal ’going wrong’ increases dramatically if the signing is unproven. Koulibaly is not unproven and everybody knows he’s a quality footballer and a top defender
Stones was unproven. He was young but a great prospect and everyone expected his development to skyrocket under Pep. It didn’t happen and the club waited four years.

Imagine another unproven CB joining for 50-70m and the same thing happens again. We would look like absolute morons and moneywasters. I completely understand why the club wants Koulibaly.

There’s only one thing that worry me about this signing, and that is injuries stacking up as he gets older. Hopefully he can stay fit because he will be invaluable to this team.
 
M12Blue said:
Why do you worry about costs and sell in value. Who outside of the club needs to give a shit. It’s Monopoly money to use mere mortals so if the club think he’s what we need, fine with me because my scouting / football manager skills are not on my skills list
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It's nothing to do with costs and everything to do with giving yourself as many chances to be successful as possible. Signing Koulibaly is like throwing haymakers in the first round of a 12 round fight hoping to knock someone out, with no guarantee of success. You might win, you might not but if you don't win, you've severely fucked yourself over for a while until you can recover your energy (or finances in Koulibaly's case).
 
skyblues said:
The likelihood of a deal ’going wrong’ increases dramatically if the signing is unproven. Koulibaly is not unproven and everybody knows he’s a quality footballer and a top defender
Stones was unproven. He was young but a great prospect and everyone expected his development to skyrocket under Pep. It didn’t happen and the club waited four years.

Imagine another unproven CB joining for 50-70m and the same thing happens again. We would look like absolute morons and moneywasters. I completely understand why the club wants Koulibaly.

There’s only one thing that worry me about this signing, and that is injuries stacking up as he gets older. Hopefully he can stay fit because he will be invaluable to this team.
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That's all very lovely but we've all seen "proven" players fail, on hundreds of occasions at hundreds of clubs over decades.
 
M12Blue said:
Why do you worry about costs and sell on value. Who outside of the club needs to give a shit. It’s Monopoly money to us mere mortals so if the club think he’s what we need, fine with me because my scouting / football manager Ability is not on my skills list
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Top and bottom of it is we need a dominant centre back.
 
ctid1894 said:
That's all very lovely but we've all seen "proven" players fail, on hundreds of occasions at hundreds of clubs over decades.
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And unproven players, who will cost similar or more money, if they are any good.

There is no 'right' or cheap way to fix this. We just have to do what we can.

Aké was the bargain, signed. Now we'll have to pay up, for an older proven player or a younger unproven player or sign a JFE to bodge with.
 
ctid1894 said:
Experience is important but it's not the be-all and end-all, it doesn't guarantee success. We could very easily have gone for more experienced players when we bought Kompany, Silva and Aguero 10 years ago, just saying.
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Very true but nothing guarantees success.

Upamecano, if he isn't already Bayern bound and/or unavailable, will have to learn a new role in a new system in a new country, whereas Koulibaly's experience, including under Sarri, might help him settle in relatively quickly.

Which are the CBs out there who would guarantee success to a bigger extent than Koulibaly and are also available?
 
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ctid1894 said:
It's nothing to do with costs and everything to do with giving yourself as many chances to be successful as possible. Signing Koulibaly is like throwing haymakers in the first round of a 12 round fight hoping to knock someone out, with no guarantee of success. You might win, you might not but if you don't win, you've severely fucked yourself over for a while until you can recover your energy (or finances in Koulibaly's case).
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Every signing is a risk, we can’t base who we buy on whether we can sell them if they’re shit.
We’re no longer financially hamstrung so no major reasons to worry.
 
My only concern right now is if Arsenal steals Gabriel from Lille, the man who is expected to replace Koulibaly at Napoli, and then Napoli end up keeping Koulibaly.
 
Not our problem and besides that Napoli have stitched us a few times
 
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