Manctopia on BBC2

Ban-jani said:
You only need to glance at the sky line to see the amount going up.

It could cope with more than 10% I’d guess at but not the majority of what’s in London for sure, it’s not going to be every company in London nor is it going to affect London an economic centre, it’s just going to help Manchester grow exponentially when some companies move aspects of their operations up here.
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But it's apartments for people to live in and not offices.

Manchester's city centre isn't that big. Look at the amount of Premier League football clubs, airports, stations or Universities in London in comparison. Parliament, the Royal Family, finance, film, theatres, fashion, music, transport. Depending on how you classify the boundaries, London's population can be 9 million with several million more working in the city. Manchester's infrastructure would struggle with anywhere near that.
 
peoffrey said:
But it's apartments for people to live in and not offices.

Manchester's city centre isn't that big. Look at the amount of Premier League football clubs, airports, stations or Universities in London in comparison. Parliament, the Royal Family, finance, film, theatres, fashion, music, transport. Depending on how you classify the boundaries, London's population can be 9 million with several million more working in the city. Manchester's infrastructure would struggle with anywhere near that.
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Why do you think this is an argument if Manchester vs London?

I am not comparing it to London, I’m merely saying it’s growing exponentially (which it is) and that some companies are moving some of their operations up because it’s cheaper, which is adding fuel to that growth.

The skyline is changing every year and the amount of office space is growing quickly.

Brownfield sites, including a 20 floor office block that’s right outside my office window now, are going up everywhere.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Thought it was a good thought provoking programme . Good example of the improvements and regeneration have improved the city. Many of the derelict old mills and buildings would still be that way without this boom.

However many local residents will never be able to afford the housing. The lady bidding on social housing and the credit system was interesting. Glad to see the lad in the shelter get sorted at the end.

i thought the show was good at showing the juxtaposition of Manchesters residents. A single woman looking to pay millions for a flat in the city and the Young working mum with a couple of kids looking for social housing.
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I haven’t watched the programme, but surely it just depends on the area. People complain they’ve been priced out of Manchester, yet there quite a lot of affordable areas

can’t afford Didsbury, look at longsight, burnage. A lot of this is in the city centre and places like Chorlton/ didsbury - where richer people want to live

I don’t want Manchester to lose its character though and the people that make it what it is. So Londoners stay Out and ruin somewhere else ;)
 
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Ban-jani said:
Why do you think this is an argument if Manchester vs London?

I am not comparing it to London, I’m merely saying it’s growing exponentially (which it is) and that some companies are moving some of their operations up because it’s cheaper, which is adding fuel to that growth.

The skyline is changing every year and the amount of office space is growing quickly.

Brownfield sites, including a 20 floor office block that’s right outside my office window now, are going up everywhere.
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I'm trying to think of one person in my office who is from London and still lives there. I can't. Manchester will go the same way.
 
peoffrey said:
I'm trying to think of one person in my office who is from London and still lives there. I can't. Manchester will go the same way.
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maybe in the city centre, where all the new unaffordable apartments are, but most areas are still Manc areas. Same with the surrounding towns.

you seem to be very negative about London / Manchester ..
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
maybe in the city centre, where all the new unaffordable apartments are, but most areas are still Manc areas. Same with the surrounding towns.

you seem to be very negative about London / Manchester ..
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I'm looking at property all the time and Manchester has shot up. Even the traditionally working class areas.

I'm negative about the gentrification of cities. It's all about £20 roast dinners and £6 pints. I find it really sad that everywhere I knew well has become about posh people. I've faced some incredible snobbery over the years just for being a bit rough around the edges.
 
peoffrey said:
I'm trying to think of one person in my office who is from London and still lives there. I can't. Manchester will go the same way.
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So you agree with me?

Im not arguing against that, I’m not arguing Manchester will overtake London, I’m just arguing it will be a major economic City in the coming years.
 
peoffrey said:
I'm looking at property all the time and Manchester has shot up. Even the traditionally working class areas.

I'm negative about the gentrification of cities. It's all about £20 roast dinners and £6 pints. I find it really sad that everywhere I knew well has become about posh people. I've faced some incredible snobbery over the years just for being a bit rough around the edges.
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that’s happened everywhere though. I’ve just bought a property and looked at loads of areas- in areas people describe as rough/ zero gentrification the prices have gone up.

Look at places like gorton, reddish, longsight - you can get some cheap houses there, but people don’t want to live in places like that.

i agree the city centre is becoming more about posh people. London is the perfect example of that. I don’t agree about Manchester going the same way though, most areas still have the same people/ characters.
 
As the second city, it should be major economic already. The whole concept of that documentary is that the divide between the rich and the poor is big and getting bigger. I first moved to Manchester itself 20 years ago. The change saddens me.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
that’s happened everywhere though. I’ve just bought a property and looked at loads of areas- in areas people describe as rough/ zero gentrification the prices have gone up.

Look at places like gorton, reddish, longsight - you can get some cheap houses there, but the snobs don’t want to live in places like that.

i agree the city centre is becoming more about posh people. London is the perfect example of that. I don’t agree about Manchester going the same way though, most areas still have the same people/ characters.
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It will, trust me. Greetings from East Ham, Newham, London. Once a dumping ground for immigrants from the third world is now becoming gentrified.

p.s. I wouldn't live in Longsight again for love nor money. I hated it there. Absolutely hated it.
 
peoffrey said:
It will, trust me. Greetings from East Ham, Newham, London. Once a dumping ground for immigrants from the third world is now becoming gentrified.

p.s. I wouldn't live in Longsight again for love nor money. I hated it there. Absolutely hated it.
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I just don’t agree. It’s not London. What your saying could happen to any city in the uk.

you also mention immigration. Immigration has completely changed certain areas in Manchester from even 20 years ago.

haha fair enough, tbf places like levenshulme/ mossside used to be verysought after. A reverse gentrification if you like
 
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chaddblue said:
Pmsl at the price list in Piccadilly east where that developer had bought land

“Blow jobs £4.99”

I wonder if any customer has waited for his 1p change from a fiver
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Maybe they take chip and pin to avoid carrying a load of pennies. Could be interesting trying to explain that on a statement
 
willipp said:
Yeah you are right. I know a lot who do that commute and its a thoroughly miserable experience. I get the train to games and am in picadilly in 36 minutes on a good train which is fine for me. However the morning and evening commute sounds a story of cancelled trains, packed in like sardines, miserable people and overall a crappy start and end to your day. Not for me at all.
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That sounds like my journey on the met going into town and coming back. Its going get even more ridiculous with more and more people in the surrounding suburban areas. I just don't think the infrastructure is in place to cope with all this.
 
Stoned Rose said:
Indeed ;)

"Performance" performed on The Other Side of Midnight.

Still got it recorded on VHS somewhere mate.
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I was stoned with mates reminiscing about our days on the Manchester and rave scenes. We were all big fans at the time. The game was to take the iPad and you had to nominate a video showing a band at its peak.
That “Performance” was what we settled on as the Mondays at their peak. Not of fame, obviously, but their musical peak. I still think we were right.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
I was stoned with mates reminiscing about our days on the Manchester and rave scenes. We were all big fans at the time. The game was to take the iPad and you had to nominate a video showing a band at its peak.
That “Performance” was what we settled on as the Mondays at their peak. Not of fame, obviously, but their musical peak. I still think we were right.
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A brilliant performance no doubt mate :)

I'd go with this though......

 
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Stoned Rose said:
A brilliant performance no doubt mate :)
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It was when they still had that proper Mondays sound, before Oakenfold and the others got involved. Don’t get me wrong, I love electronic music, and as a fan since 86 I was delighted when they hit the big time. But the Bummed era stuff like this and Do It Better represent the Mondays at their creative peak for me.

sorry, a bit off topic...
 
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