Angelino

[Exeter Blue I am here]

It's lazy as fuck bullshit. I gave a detailed breakdown of all the goals we conceded a few weeks or maybe a month ago now and it was very conveniently ignored by the majority because it didn't fit the narrative that we make mistakes and our CB's are to blame for our results, Covid, climate change and Brexit. When actually you're correct, the goals we conceded were primarily from us losing possession in central midfield, nothing to do with defensive errors. Only two goals were defensive errors in my opinion (Walker letting Mane go at the back post and Otamendi not closing down I think Traore at Wolves), plus two Ederson errors at Trafford Park but they're goalkeeping and not defensive errors.

You don’t consider Otamendi’s fuckfest at Norwich to have been a defensive error, or Mendy’s double cock up (getting in Gundogan’s way and then compounding it with one of his trademark ‘wrong foot’ tackles) at Chelsea, or Stones falling over the ball vs Wembley at Villa, or Mendy needlessly trying to shepherd a ball out of play at Wolves that he could easily have cleared, or Otamendi diving in off his feet (as usual) at home to Wolves, to have been defensive errors?

 

[bluemanchester]

Thanks I think I am improving in my analysis of the game but I tend to forget specifics not helped by the pandemic and and when your at the game you don’t have replays to double check what you have seen or look what’s going on further away from the game but with the constant negativity on here I thought I was completely loosing it by being reasonably positive

"Being reasonably positive" be careful you might get accused of being happy as well.;)

 

[ctid1894]

You don’t consider Otamendi’s fuckfest at Norwich to have been a defensive error, or Mendy’s double cock up (getting in Gundogan’s way and then compounding it with one of his trademark ‘wrong foot’ tackles) at Chelsea, or Stones falling over the ball vs Wembley at Villa, or Mendy needlessly trying to shepherd a ball out of play at Wolves that he could easily have cleared, or Otamendi diving in off his feet (as usual) at home to Wolves, to have been defensive errors?

Giving away possession isn't a defensive error, never has been, never will be and you've mentioned three (Otamendi, Mendy and Mendy/Gundogan). Stones was in cup, not league. Otamendi yes against Wolves home, I'll give you that one, to be fair I'm trying to remember those off the top of my head, it's a while since I broke them all down.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I never said we should worry about it, I simply replied to a post suggesting he was good going forward, pointing out he clearly isn't when you look at the stats and also the job we ask him to do because we understand his limitations. The same reason we don't ask Aguero to play CB or Sterling in nets.

Tbh, we are actually not far away from it on here.

Reading the stuff on here:

According to some, we want central defenders, with no pace, who can't head the ball,or tackle, fullbacks often with no pace who can't defend, centre mids who can't run or tackle or score, wingers who don't cross or assist, strikers who don't head the ball.

How much more difficult, can we possibly make it, for ourselves ?

How about we just get players who are typically, traditionally, really good at the typical things needed, to do the typical job required, but are also good at passing the ball & clever, & then get them to play Pep style football instead of handicapping ourselves in several positions every season ?

Walker can sprint forward & put a decent ball in IF there is any point to doing so. But does anyone really want him to, or is his job really to stop & pass it instead ?

 

[paddyblue]

Giving away possession isn't a defensive error, never has been, never will be and you've mentioned three (Otamendi, Mendy and Mendy/Gundogan). Stones was in cup, not league. Otamendi yes against Wolves home, I'll give you that one, to be fair I'm trying to remember those off the top of my head, it's a while since I broke them all down.

Hey there could you send me a link to your breakdown of the goals conceded. Had a look but can’t seem to find it. I’d be interested to have a read. Thanks

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Giving away possession isn't a defensive error, never has been, never will be and you've mentioned three (Otamendi, Mendy and Mendy/Gundogan). Stones was in cup, not league. Otamendi yes against Wolves home, I'll give you that one, to be fair I'm trying to remember those off the top of my head, it's a while since I broke them all down.

I’d love to know what does constitute a defensive error then, if Otamendi’s cock up at Norwich doesn’t qualify. Completely oblivious to where his opponents were, despite having all day to have a quick look. And having looked at the footage again, I’d chuck the first goal into the equation as well - Stones letting his man go whilst standing on halfway with his hand in the air and his back turned to half the field so he can’t see Walker doing the complete opposite behind him.

 

[Dazzle84]

Walker cannot attack, he's brilliant at other things and we'd have been struggling without him but attacking he is certainly not. I reckon I'm better technically, unfortunately I'm also slower than Gundogan (when he had a dislocated knee).

Walker is very good technically, but he's better supplementing midfield and covering the centre halves with his pace. We're at our best when the wingers are given the space to get on with it rather than a full back getting in the way. In my opinion of course!

 

[Keeper!]

Angelino is the type of player Barcelona need for the play they want and 30m€ is a bargain.

 

[Keeper!]

duplicate

 

[ctid1894]

I’d love to know what does constitute a defensive error then, if Otamendi’s cock up at Norwich doesn’t qualify. Completely oblivious to where his opponents were, despite having all day to have a quick look. And having looked at the footage again, I’d chuck the first goal into the equation as well - Stones letting his man go whilst standing on halfway with his hand in the air and his back turned to half the field so he can’t see Walker doing the complete opposite behind him.

Our front three and midfield three must make a shit load of defensive mistakes then using that logic.

 

[mancityscot]

sell angelino get reguillon

 

[RayCTID]

Good luck in negotiating with Real Madrid

 

[ctid1894]

Tbh, we are actually not far away from it on here.

Reading the stuff on here:

According to some, we want central defenders, with no pace, who can't head the ball,or tackle, fullbacks often with no pace who can't defend, centre mids who can't run or tackle or score, wingers who don't cross or assist, strikers who don't head the ball.

How much more difficult, can we possibly make it, for ourselves ?

How about we just get players who are typically, traditionally, really good at the typical things needed, to do the typical job required, but are also good at passing the ball & clever, & then get them to play Pep style football instead of handicapping ourselves in several positions every season ?

Walker can sprint forward & put a decent ball in IF there is any point to doing so. But does anyone really want him to, or is his job really to stop & pass it instead ?

As difficult as 198 points in two seasons hopefully.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Our front three and midfield three must make a shit load of defensive mistakes then using that logic.

In the sense that our midfield pressing has been below standard this season, particularly when we’ve had 2 or more of Rodri, Gunders and Dave playing, I wouldn’t disagree. However, to suggest that only 2 goals this season have stemmed from the ineptitude of our defenders, I just think isn’t close to being true. It might not be their fault that they’ve been hung out to dry by being asked to defend on halfway, when as a collective unit they are completely lacking in the pace and power required to do so effectively, but it doesn’t change the fact they’ve failed repeatedly in that task. Wolves could have been 5-0 up at the Etihad in the first half hour alone

 

[ctid1894]

Hey there could you send me a link to your breakdown of the goals conceded. Had a look but can’t seem to find it. I’d be interested to have a read. Thanks

I couldn't be arsed to look for it myself, so you can fuck right off. I clearly missed 1-2 off top of my head, as someone mentioned the Otamendi one Wolves home game but there was far more conceded from sloppy losses of possession than anything else.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Koeman changing the system to 3 at the back, doesn't make sense otherwise.

 

[ctid1894]

In the sense that our midfield pressing has been below standard this season, particularly when we’ve had 2 or more of Rodri, Gunders and Dave playing, I wouldn’t disagree. However, to suggest that only 2 goals this season have stemmed from the ineptitude of our defenders, I just think isn’t close to being true. It might not be their fault that they’ve been hung out to dry by being asked to defend on halfway, when as a collective unit they are completely lacking in the pace and power required to do so effectively, but it doesn’t change the fact they’ve failed repeatedly in that task. Wolves could have been 5-0 up at the Etihad in the first half hour alone

The 2-3 goals to defensive errors were just in the nine league losses, not all 38 games. I completely agree about our midfield press being poor this season, that in combination with Laporte's injury has been a big factor in our goals against.

I don't know if the stats would back me up or even if there's any data recorded for how we've played this season, however I think from watching every game we've played far more through the middle of the pitch this season which has resulted in us losing possession in dangerous areas and conceding more goals as a result.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

The 2-3 goals to defensive errors were just in the nine league losses, not all 38 games. I completely agree about our midfield press being poor this season, that in combination with Laporte's injury has been a big factor in our goals against.

I don't know if the stats would back me up or even if there's any data recorded for how we've played this season, however I think from watching every game we've played far more through the middle of the pitch this season which has resulted in us losing possession in dangerous areas and conceding more goals as a result.

Ah, my apologies, we’ve been at cross purposes. I thought you meant all 38 games! I did think it was strange.....!

 

[decmancity]

 

[ninjamonkey]

In other words he’s just putting it out to the public that he wants angelino to stay, and angelino wants to stay so let’s hope moneybags City helps them out by offering yet another charity loan deal that has zero benefit to city buy let’s him stay on loan.

If we’re not bringing him back which I think would be a mistake given his club trained status makes him an extra body in the squad then bidding should be around £40 million. He’s better than Chilwell and his price is double that and they’re both homegrown.