Angelino

He hasn’t looked good playing that tucked in midfielder role for us. It’s clear he needs to get up and down the line and pick passes to be effective. If we are keeping Walker at fullback I don’t see why he can’t get forward for us like he has in his other clubs. His HG status is really valuable for us so I can’t see why we haven’t done more to try to make it work
 
ctid1894 said:
It's lazy as fuck bullshit. I gave a detailed breakdown of all the goals we conceded a few weeks or maybe a month ago now and it was very conveniently ignored by the majority because it didn't fit the narrative that we make mistakes and our CB's are to blame for our results, Covid, climate change and Brexit. When actually you're correct, the goals we conceded were primarily from us losing possession in central midfield, nothing to do with defensive errors. Only two goals were defensive errors in my opinion (Walker letting Mane go at the back post and Otamendi not closing down I think Traore at Wolves), plus two Ederson errors at Trafford Park but they're goalkeeping and not defensive errors.
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Zinchenko losing possession at Southampton and before you say it getting caught in possession is an error/mistake.
 
ninjamonkey said:
In other words he’s just putting it out to the public that he wants angelino to stay, and angelino wants to stay so let’s hope moneybags City helps them out by offering yet another charity loan deal that has zero benefit to city buy let’s him stay on loan.

If we’re not bringing him back which I think would be a mistake given his club trained status makes him an extra body in the squad then bidding should be around £40 million. He’s better than Chilwell and his price is double that and they’re both homegrown.
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Pep hardly played him the first time around and it would be pointless bringing him back the second time after another succesful loan spell and repeating what had happend during his first spell. He is not quite what we are looking for inn a fullback and are better off cutting him loose and not messing him about despite us being short.
 
I think Pep has already made it fairly obvious that he's not impressed by Angelino ? So a sale & raise some funds, makes sense.

Cancelo is probably our best left-back based on recent evidence, but we certainly haven't been lucky in that position for a long time.
 
Withnail said:
Zinchenko losing possession at Southampton and before you say it getting caught in possession is an error/mistake.
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All players lose possession multiple times a game, even strikers, I guess they're all defensive mistakes.
 
Maybe the reason that we aren't linked to an LB is because Pep is finally convinced that Angeliño can provide sufficient cover.
 
ctid1894 said:
The 2-3 goals to defensive errors were just in the nine league losses, not all 38 games. I completely agree about our midfield press being poor this season, that in combination with Laporte's injury has been a big factor in our goals against.

I don't know if the stats would back me up or even if there's any data recorded for how we've played this season, however I think from watching every game we've played far more through the middle of the pitch this season which has resulted in us losing possession in dangerous areas and conceding more goals as a result.
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You attack as a team and defend as a team.

That's the problem this last season, poor individual defensive errors, lack of mobility in the middle of the park and Jesus apart lack defending/pressing from the forward line.

I don't personally don't think Jesus is good enough, but, he is outstanding in terms of our first line of defence, incredible high energy pressing. I understand why Pep sometimes plays him in front of Kun in big games.
 
We must be prepared to keep him as the premier league is considering increasing the home grown quota. He is one of our own even though we do not feel so.
 
Keeper! said:
You attack as a team and defend as a team.

That's the problem this last season, poor individual defensive errors, lack of mobility in the middle of the park and Jesus apart lack defending/pressing from the forward line.

I don't personally don't think Jesus is good enough, but, he is outstanding in terms of our first line of defence, incredible high energy pressing. I understand why Pep sometimes plays him in front of Kun in big games.
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We should attack and defend as a team. The problem last season was that we didn't, we relied too heavily on individuals (De Bruyne) to create something out of nothing, especially for the first goal in games. The two previous seasons we had a variety of patterns of play, we would rotate the fullback, #8 and winger on occasions, we would create overloads in central midfield, we would drag teams into a press and go long with the pace we had on the wings. This season that's happened infrequently, we have played slowly through central midfield with very little movement (in comparison to previous seasons, not in general before anyone flies off the handle), then given the ball to De Bruyne in the hope he can hit a pass only De Bruyne could hit, or given to Sterling and Mahrez in the hope they can dribble inside and shoot. It's been predictable and boring, once the first goal has gone in its a different story because defending teams open up a bit.

The "defensive mistakes" theory is bit of a myth, yes we're guilty of defensive mistakes just like everyone else but this rubbish that is spouted on here like it's 25 times a game is simply not true. Our style of play requires fast and intensive pressing from everybody, we can carry one player at times but this season we've been carrying two or more (Silva, Gundogan, Aguero, Rodri, Mahrez) in the majority of games before the ball even reaches the defence.

If we get the "pressing" back to the level it was the previous two seasons, the defence won't be as exposed and our defenders won't be left isolated 1vs1 as many times, meaning even less defensive mistakes.
 
Withnail said:
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Oleksandr Zinchenko makes frank apology after mistake in Southampton defeat

Zinchenko has posted a frank apology on Instagram after his error in Sunday night's defeat to Southampton
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Even the player admits it was a mistake, but not you?
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It was a mistake, I've never denied that but you clearly struggle with the concept of defensive mistakes and retaining possession. Like I said if every time a player lost possession was considered a defensive mistake, our front three and midfield three would be far more guilty than our back four. You consider a defensive mistake anything a defender does. It's semantics, we won't agree because we have a fundamental difference in what we consider a defensive mistake. I'm not arguing it wasn't a mistake, never have and never will, just not a defensive one.
 
I would be quite happy if he stayed at City. My opinion of him has gone up a lot. His move to Leipzig was very good for the player and he has gone up in everyone's opinion.
 
ctid1894 said:
We should attack and defend as a team. The problem last season was that we didn't, we relied too heavily on individuals (De Bruyne) to create something out of nothing, especially for the first goal in games. The two previous seasons we had a variety of patterns of play, we would rotate the fullback, #8 and winger on occasions, we would create overloads in central midfield, we would drag teams into a press and go long with the pace we had on the wings. This season that's happened infrequently, we have played slowly through central midfield with very little movement (in comparison to previous seasons, not in general before anyone flies off the handle), then given the ball to De Bruyne in the hope he can hit a pass only De Bruyne could hit, or given to Sterling and Mahrez in the hope they can dribble inside and shoot. It's been predictable and boring, once the first goal has gone in its a different story because defending teams open up a bit.

The "defensive mistakes" theory is bit of a myth, yes we're guilty of defensive mistakes just like everyone else but this rubbish that is spouted on here like it's 25 times a game is simply not true. Our style of play requires fast and intensive pressing from everybody, we can carry one player at times but this season we've been carrying two or more (Silva, Gundogan, Aguero, Rodri, Mahrez) in the majority of games before the ball even reaches the defence.

If we get the "pressing" back to the level it was the previous two seasons, the defence won't be as exposed and our defenders won't be left isolated 1vs1 as many times, meaning even less defensive mistakes.
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The defensive mistakes is no myth, our CBs , Laporte apart are not good enough we have no LB.

I agree about midfield. An aging Silva, imobile Guno and Rodri, Bernardo badly out of form. We are in desperate need of legs and power in the middle of the park, as well as leadership.
 
ctid1894 said:
It was a mistake, I've never denied that but you clearly struggle with the concept of defensive mistakes and retaining possession. Like I said if every time a player lost possession was considered a defensive mistake, our front three and midfield three would be far more guilty than our back four. You consider a defensive mistake anything a defender does. It's semantics, we won't agree because we have a fundamental difference in what we consider a defensive mistake. I'm not arguing it wasn't a mistake, never have and never will, just not a defensive one.
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Talk about pedantic or what. At the end of the day, despite what you say our defence is not good enough too much dead wood, time to move on Otamendi, Zinchenko and Stones all have made far too many mistakes this season, however you want to dress it up.
 
Keeper! said:
The defensive mistakes is no myth, our CBs , Laporte apart are not good enough we have no LB.

I agree about midfield. An aging Silva, imobile Guno and Rodri, Bernardo badly out of form. We are in desperate need of legs and power in the middle of the park, as well as leadership.
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You keep repeating the "defensive mistakes" myth but you're not willing to prove it, it's all hot air. Highlight the defensive mistakes and explain what a better CB would have done, I can absolutely guarantee any clip you find, I can find you a clip of Koulibaly, Van Dijk or Kompany making a similar mistake. If it's frequency you're talking about, again feel free to highlight the numbers and why they're so much higher than anyone else or our previous seasons. You won't because you can't because it's a myth.
 
Gray said:
I still see him farting about at Wolves by the dead ball line. What top class pro would fuck up like that?
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Mate he's had surgery on both knees. Remember when Pep said it takes about 20 full games to get match fitness and rhythm back? Of course it could take him slightly more time before he's fully back again, but he's shown that he can do fine, at least latter half of season. Yes that howler was an absolute brain fart but it can happen when you're down on confidence too?

Also how can we even sell him? He's a £52m full back with 0 value in this market. Only hope is he has a good season and leaves on a free or someone buys him after another year if his value goes up off season form.
 
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