It's Quiet thread 14 - 'do one' edition

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Keeper! said:
Give then Garcia and that is generous!

If we pay anything north of 100m we are crazy.
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My reading is that he is reflecting Barcelona’s opening negotiation. If so it’s a step forward as until now they are refusing to negotiate unless someone pays the (non existent) get out clause. As such it’s at least positive movement. We will end up paying nothing like that and have already confirmed that none of our a team are available and that will include gabby. We should chill as in this we hold most of the cards.
 
Asa's left peg said:
The thing that pisses me off about all the Barca appologists is that, it is all done with the sole aim of getting them something they are not entitled to.
The absolute fact that needs to be estabished is - is Messi's contract still valid or is it terminated. Everything else flows from this. If he is free and there is no release clause (which a lot of people seem to be claiming) then we owe them feck all. OK, maybe we may want to sweeten the pot to get them to accept they have fecked up big style - but that only goes so far.
If the cluase is still valid, then we either have to shit or get off the pot (don't know the spanish for that) and I don't think we are in the mood to shit atm. So for Ian and others just puting random guesses out there to stay in the story, doesn't help and prolongs the idea they have a leg to stand on.
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It appears to be "Mierda o vete de la olla"
 
I like Ian Cheeseman he` seems a lovely man when you talk to him.

This time though Ian I hope you`ve got this all wrong. £100 mil plus Jesus and Garcia.

Maybe £75 mil with Garcia at the Maximum.

Ideally, Fuck all for Messi, them not get Jesus and we get £30 mil for Garcia with a letter of apology for them being cunts.
 
kippaxwarrior said:
There was always going to be a fee. Think all parties involved are talking to find the best possible outcome for everyone to look good at the end of this.

Apparently we have money set aside for this deal so it shouldn't affect any other transfer dealings
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Trev may be making it up but he's probably in the right ballpark. If the €700m release clause has expired then any fee agreed would have to be around that £75m, plus Garcia, who's already said he wants to go.
 
razman said:
Also read, city offering a 2 year deal...if any of this is remotely true, then piss off

Would be a very stupid deal
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It would be such a fucking stupid thing to do that it can be discarded unless the owners have gone stark raving mad. Keep an eye out for Khaldoon wearing underpants on his head or rolling up to the etihad in a pink Bentley
 
Garcia and 100m seems more than adequate for a 33 yo (albeit the greatest we’ve ever seen) player with 1 year of contract and zero will to continue.
I have been the biggest Jesus critic for some time now but It’s clear as day that he is an amazing asset and what he brings to the front line is extremely useful. And as someone already said, Jesus would suit Messi way better than Sergio. It’ll be absolutely dumb on our management’s part if we let him go after investing years on his development.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Trev may be making it up but he's probably in the right ballpark. If the €700m release clause has expired then any fee agreed would have to be around that £75m, plus Garcia, who's already said he wants to go.
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So outside theory here:

When the silver lake investment was made the valuation of the club made me scratch my head a little as by any measurement it was optimistic at best.

However one of the comments at the time was ‘when we shared our plans with the SL team they fully bought into our vision’.

Looking at the events happening now; maybe this Messi deal has been known, fully understood and expected since before that time - maybe we reached out for the investment based on this happening? Had reassurances from Messi’s team and the legal team too.

This would explain the valuation fully and the draw for the SL investment.

I think this is all a lot more mature and planned out than people think, so the odd 25-50 million either way is fine print for a deal that’s already done.
 
jay laruja said:
Why pay that much for someone that could be had for free? If there was any fee, its purpose would just be to maintain a good relationship between clubs. The only way this is true is if we wanted to get rid of Gabby which I doubt. Why lose your promising young striker when you know your main striker could be leaving soon.
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I‘d be horrified if we contemplated paying a fee based on keeping good relations! These fuckers were trying to get our head on a spike a few weeks ago. Any fee should be to get Messi’s registration and for nothing else. If Barca want ‘Judas‘ Garcia they should pay his market value.
 
blue oli said:
So outside theory here:

When the silver lake investment was made the valuation of the club made me scratch my head a little as by any measurement it was optimistic at best.

However one of the comments at the time was ‘when we shared our plans with the SL team they fully bought into our vision’.

Looking at the events happening now; maybe this Messi deal has been known, fully understood and expected since before that time - maybe we reached out for the investment based on this happening? Had reassurances from Messi’s team and the legal team too.

This would explain the valuation fully and the draw for the SL investment.

I think this is all a lot more mature and planned out than people think, so the odd 25-50 million either way is fine print for a deal that’s already done.
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maybe, but i'm sure the euro ban saga put stuff on hold (and then the 'Rona). maybe Messi was due last year? it's an interesting theory.

which leads onto the assumption that if this has been a long time in the planning, shirley the lawyers have been over his contract in detail to determine just the right time to bust him out?
 
George Weah was 33 when he signed for us, he played 11 games and scored only 4 goals. Messi hasn't had any real dip in standards yet, but just goes to show it happens, even to the very best.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
My reading is that he is reflecting Barcelona’s opening negotiation. If so it’s a step forward as until now they are refusing to negotiate unless someone pays the (non existent) get out clause. As such it’s at least positive movement. We will end up paying nothing like that and have already confirmed that none of our a team are available and that will include gabby. We should chill as in this we hold most of the cards.
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Agreed - but he has been a bit stupid (IMO) not to make it clear that is what he is reflecting

Leaves himself open to criticism / ridicule
 
balotelli's back pocket said:
Everyone seems to have forgotten that Cheeseman claimed that Pep had extended a week or two ago and that was complete horseshit? He doesn't know anything.
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At this stage no one does in terms of an actually concrete deal. Like most he is talking shit and randomly guessing. Do enough guessing or nicking other people’s guesses and eventually you may get one right. Throw in things may change and you have covered yourself.

The only thing that has probably been agreed at this point is what we will pay Messi if he comes.
 
ctid1894 said:
George Weah was 33 when he signed for us, he played 11 games and scored only 4 goals. Messi hasn't had any real dip in standards yet, but just goes to show it happens, even to the very best.
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George Weah even at 33 was streets ahead of our team, the goat alluded to it on radio last week that weah used to make these fantastic runs in behind the defence or take a defender with him but none of the midfield ever spotted it.
He played a full season at Marseille after us.
 
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