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I'd gladly have the ability to do state aid rather than win the fishing argument. Tbh the fact that the EU seeks to control how we support UK buisness with UK money after we've left the EU is precisely the sort of thing that makes me want out.

I can see where the EU are coming from. If you want a trade deal with another country/territory you’d surely want guarantees that the other parties were not propped up unduly by the state?

Further to that, why do the Tories want to die on this hill? State-aid isn’t something they are typically keen on away?
 
I'd gladly have the ability to do state aid rather than win the fishing argument. Tbh the fact that the EU seeks to control how we support UK buisness with UK money after we've left the EU is precisely the sort of thing that makes me want out.

I’m afraid that is not how the real world works. As I have already said neither the US nor the EU will accept a trade deal unless it contains a detailed proposal on State Aid. They will not grant preferential access to their markets and allow us to compete with their domestic industries with our ‘subsidised’ industries. The US has already imposed a swathe of tariffs on the U.K. under WTO state aid rules.

The UK already signed up to controls on State Aid under the WA.

The UK does not operate in sealed vacuum. To trade with other countries you have to do so under a set of terms and rules, otherwise it becomes difficult to trade.

Living in a fantasy world will not work.
 
I can see where the EU are coming from. If you want a trade deal with another country/territory you’d surely want guarantees that the other parties were not propped up unduly by the state?

Further to that, why do the Tories want to die on this hill? State-aid isn’t something they are typically keen on away?
I'm sure they would like that, but just as we can't cherry pick bits of our current relationship , neither can they.
 
I can see where the EU are coming from. If you want a trade deal with another country/territory you’d surely want guarantees that the other parties were not propped up unduly by the state?

Further to that, why do the Tories want to die on this hill? State-aid isn’t something they are typically keen on away?

The French and Germans have been propping up and giving state aid to whoever they want for years.

I actually don't get the fuss from them as this Tory government wont prop anything up. A Labour government would on the other hand.
 
The French and Germans have been propping up and giving state aid to whoever they want for years.

I actually don't get the fuss from them as this Tory government wont prop anything up. A Labour government would on the other hand.
I was just going to make that very point - it's not as if the Tories are going to save port Talbot and renationalise anything. I assume the EU are worried about state support / deregulation of the city? - Singapore thing again.
 
I was just going to make that very point - it's not as if the Tories are going to save port Talbot and renationalise anything. I assume the EU are worried about state support / deregulation of the city? - Singapore thing again.

The worry is what we do with VAT and corporation tax etc.
 
The worry is what we do with VAT and corporation tax etc.
It'd be nice if we could find a grown up way of doing things and I hope we will. I suppose if there is no resolution to passporting and other aspects of maintaining the efficiency of the financial sector well be forced to look at other,ways to maintain London position as a financial hub.
 
No vote on our new position, what vote, and what new position?
And what is this truth that nobody knows what the govt is doing?
Not being flippant mate, I don't see what you're getting at.

It's quite simple.

We voted to leave the EU but nobody actually knows what comes next.

There are many different versions of what people would like to see and there are the somewhat fanciful promises made by the Leave campaign but we are in the curious position of having little idea and no actual say in what is decided.
 
It's quite simple.

We voted to leave the EU but nobody actually knows what comes next.

There are many different versions of what people would like to see and there are the somewhat fanciful promises made by the Leave campaign but we are in the curious position of having little idea and no actual say in what is decided.
the WA and the PD are the only things that exist. The Government should be delivering against these mandated agreements surely.
 
Can anyone explain why the EU are so concerned with us maintaining a 'level playing field'? If we take it as read that the UK will be impoverished in every respect post brexit and it will be a complete disaster, I'm not sure why the EU are so worried. I suppose it may be one last act of benevolence - throwing us a lifeline before we cut ourselves adrift.


Because if you allow someone to be employed with less legal & Health and safety protections than your own employees ... they gain a competitive advantage.

Because if you allow someone to inject their livestock with drugs that make them grow fatter quicker (despite the harm they do to the person eating it ).... they gain a competitive advantage

A level playing field is all about finding a competitive advantage through work processes / purchasing power without hurting the person who works for or buys your product.


It doesn't matter anyway because were leaving with no deal by the looks of it.
 
I'd gladly have the ability to do state aid rather than win the fishing argument. Tbh the fact that the EU seeks to control how we support UK buisness with UK money after we've left the EU is precisely the sort of thing that makes me want out.



The EU doesn't have a problem with state aid for supporting industries in trouble ... the Italians have supported their steel industry (and they didnt step in when the Tories had to take the East Coast Train line back into public ownership).... it does have a problem where the state aid offered by a particular country allows them to get a competitive advantage
 
The French and Germans have been propping up and giving state aid to whoever they want for years.

I actually don't get the fuss from them as this Tory government wont prop anything up. A Labour government would on the other hand.



But But But ..... the Tories said we couldn't save our steel industry because Eu rules we couldn't give state aid ....are you now saying that the Tories were lying?
 
I'd gladly have the ability to do state aid rather than win the fishing argument. Tbh the fact that the EU seeks to control how we support UK buisness with UK money after we've left the EU is precisely the sort of thing that makes me want out.
So you think the laissez-faire Tory party should be state-aiding private companies.

They already are, giving PPE contracts to their mates. A great precedent for the future.
 
Because if you allow someone to be employed with less legal & Health and safety protections than your own employees ... they gain a competitive advantage.

Because if you allow someone to inject their livestock with drugs that make them grow fatter quicker (despite the harm they do to the person eating it ).... they gain a competitive advantage

A level playing field is all about finding a competitive advantage through work processes / purchasing power without hurting the person who works for or buys your product.


It doesn't matter anyway because were leaving with no deal by the looks of it.
I'm not sure we'd do the above or if we did we couldn't export said products to the EU anyway as it would not meet their standards? Our entire economy is currently compliant with EU rules and standards, and frankly it will be too much hassle and cost to deviate any time soon. I suppose we could import the much quoted chlorinated chicken, but we certainly couldn't produce it for export to the EU for example.
 
I'm not sure we'd do the above or if we did we couldn't export said products to the EU anyway as it would not meet their standards? Our entire economy is currently compliant with EU rules and standards, and frankly it will be too much hassle and cost to deviate any time soon. I suppose we could import the much quoted chlorinated chicken, but we certainly couldn't produce it for export to the EU for example.


Really ? As forecast by many on this site ..... its already happening.



and the latest Covid19 legislation also allowed companies to make people redundant without going through the usual consultation period.
 
I'm not sure we'd do the above or if we did we couldn't export said products to the EU anyway as it would not meet their standards? Our entire economy is currently compliant with EU rules and standards, and frankly it will be too much hassle and cost to deviate any time soon. I suppose we could import the much quoted chlorinated chicken, but we certainly couldn't produce it for export to the EU for example.


Importation of chlorinated chicken would mean any deal with the Eu over foodstuffs would be in danger as they wouldn't want that shit entering the food chain in whatever form be it nuggets , burgers, chicken pieces , soups, stock etc etc
 
It's quite simple.

We voted to leave the EU but nobody actually knows what comes next.

There are many different versions of what people would like to see and there are the somewhat fanciful promises made by the Leave campaign but we are in the curious position of having little idea and no actual say in what is decided.
This is why you've been so wrong about Brexit. There are not 'Many different versions' of it, what you mean are the incessant different negative connotations
placed on it post vote, by remainers. The simple facts are that we voted to leave, which means leaving the EU and all its tenets, we leave the SM, ECJ, and FOM. Current discussions are locked because the EU will not accept that it is now dealing with an independent state, as such a state would not accept any foreign laws to be accepted prior to talks, or accept ceding territory. Which countries that the EU has trade deals with, does?
 
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