Another new Brexit thread

[bluejon]

Agree. The BS is going to come crashing down and we will be back where we were. Soft brext / hard brexit / no deal, the decision still to be made. Brexiteers from across the spectrum still thinking they are going to get the best of all three. Some of them, possibly all of them will be disappointed.

I'm sure they'll find a way to spin it to prove it's exactly what they've always wanted and they haven't been dry bummed by the people they put their trust in.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Maybe as a lawyer he doesn't want to be part of a govt that unilaterally breaks an international treaty that self same govt has very recently ratified - its called professional integrity

it’s called an independent and impartial civil service

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Lol. He has resigned on principle as have others in the civil service. I guess the government will have to find a lawyer who is happy to be told to get on with things that are unlawful. Thats going to work out great in the long run.

yep , I reckon they will struggle with That !

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I'm sure they'll find a way to spin it to prove it's exactly what they've always wanted and they haven't been dry bummed by the people they put their trust in.

Not sure the ERG lot will see it that way if we do any kind of deal. The reality is that a soft brexit is one we could all live with but a hard brexit is the minimum that tory arseholes will accept and there is little difference between a hard brexit and no deal. Both will be a disaster - but that is what we will get.

 

[meltonblue]

he can advise but he is getting involved in politics. which he shouldn’t

anyway He has gone now .

No he isn’t. That’s one of the most dangerous things in all of this, people are confusing politics and policy with law. Government lawyers implement policy all the time they disagree with. What they won’t do is implement anything they believe is unlawful - their job is to ensure that any policy has a solid legal basis.

It’s why Wilmshurst resigned from the same position over the Iraq war. The rhetoric Johnson and Cummings are pushing around both the Supreme Court and the civil service is the most dangerous aspect of this current government.

 

[west didsblue]

it’s called an independent and impartial civil service

Being part of an independent and impartial civil service shouldn’t mean that you have to have no professional integrity, and if it does don’t be surprised that those with some integrity don’t want to be part of it.

 

[meltonblue]

it’s called an independent and impartial civil service

You suggesting he should shut his trap and get on with it is advocating the complete opposite of an independent and impartial civil service, you do realise that surely?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Maybe as a lawyer he doesn't want to be part of a govt that unilaterally breaks an international treaty that self same govt has very recently ratified - its called professional integrity

have you seen the proposed changes and breaches I haven’t?

there was a leak in the remain supporting FT yesterday that boris was doing this ....

then today the FT gets another scoop that the lead lawyer is resigning over boris proposed changes ?

i wonder who the leak was?

 

[blueinsa]

Not a single fuck will be given this bloke has resigned.

If he has gone on principle then fair play to him. Like the rest of us he is allowed his opinions, especially professionally but it wont change a thing...

...Not a single fuck will be given this bloke has resigned.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Oh for the happy halcyon days of civil servants working to scupper brexit while remainer mps scurry up the the despatch box with new bills and a mutual love-in with John Bercow.

 

[bluethrunthru]

it’s called an independent and impartial civil service

anybody working anywhere - especially working in/with government should have professional and moral scruples which Mr Jones clearly has and has exercised them in order for his political views not to be involved in a legal move - sadly the govt he works for is professionally, personally and morally bankrupt

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

No he isn’t. That’s one of the most dangerous things in all of this, people are confusing politics and policy with law. Government lawyers implement policy all the time they disagree with. What they won’t do is implement anything they believe is unlawful - their job is to ensure that any policy has a solid legal basis.

It’s why Wilmshurst resigned from the same position over the Iraq war. The rhetoric Johnson and Cummings are pushing around both the Supreme Court and the civil service is the most dangerous aspect of this current government.

have you got the changes, I haven’t seen them?

 

[bluethrunthru]

have you seen the proposed changes and breaches I haven’t?

there was a leak in the remain supporting FT yesterday that boris was doing this ....

then today the FT gets another scoop that the lead lawyer is resigning over boris proposed changes ?

i wonder who the leak was?

The ERG are saying the WA needs ripping up now...........

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Not a single fuck will be given this bloke has resigned.

If he has gone on principle then fair play to him. Like the rest of us he is allowed his opinions, especially professionally but it wont change a thing...

...Not a single fuck will be given this bloke has resigned.

but where on earth are they going to find another lawyer to write stuff down that their clients instruct them to do???

It’s game over ;)

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

have you got the changes, I haven’t seen them?

I assume the civil servant in question has and has had numerous conversations about them with ministers and has chosen to resign.

Given this is a government that uses the term 'activist lawyers' to imply that following the law is a politically partisan thing to do I'm not surprised.

 

[mcfc1632]

all the adults are leaving the room - when left on their own children seldom do the right thing

What a soft fucker he must be - was it not his job, which he will have been well paid to do, to provide support and advice to the government of the day on how to bring forward legislation to deliver policy?

Anyway - I see this only as a positive - it seems that the rumoured intention to reduce the impact of the WA has some truth behind it

 

[mcfc1632]

well if he is unhappy about what the PM is doing he should stand for election to become the Prime Minister then he can decide what to do And implement it .

until then he should shut his trap and do what he is supposed to do as a civil servant.

impartial and independent civil service, my arse

Having had many years of working with various departments - I hope the rumour about a reorganisation of the CS by Cummings is true - really needed and long overdue

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I assume the civil servant in question has and has had numerous conversations about them with ministers and has chosen to resign.

Given this is a government that uses the term 'activist lawyers' to imply that following the law is a politically partisan thing to do I'm not surprised.

you assume ????

lets wait shall we to see.

i am sure Gina is on stand by

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

but where on earth are they going to find another lawyer to write stuff down that their clients instruct them to do???

It’s game over ;)

The answer is they will filter through the decent people and retain the ones with no professional standards and most likely strong partisan views - they will be over promoted and the net result is they will be badly advised and we will end up losing cases in court at great expense.

 

[journolud]

Setting aside the partisan nature of this topic - thank you for being go clear on this matter

Now bringing back my strong position on Brexit - this is why I was saying:

".........I just wonder if there is less going on here which is just a bumbling PM and more the enactment of some quite steely and callous planning

The WA was the product of the depressingly inept May/Robbins leadership and it could just be that when Johnson (Cummings) came to power there was a decision taken to not bother with renegotiation but to just get the fuck out of the EU and then work to unpick the damage to the UK done by May/Robbins by totally dumping the PD and then bringing forward legislation to reduce the impacts of the WA.

Given there is still more than 4 years to run to the next GE I can understand the logic that concludes that we should not waste further time in negotiations with the EU - but just get on with recovery as an independent nation."

Now 'callous' might seem a strange word to use seeing as I would be delighted to see the aspects of the WA that place the UK under EU controls repudiated/stymied - but I recognise that 'in the scheme of things' the actions to bin the PD and essentially strictly limit the WA would take a level of determination that could be seen as callous - I think that Cummings may have that attribute

Well, we’d probably all agree that Cummings and Johnson are a pair of callous cunts