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SebastianBlue said:
Ok, this is where I am going to disengage, mate.

The argument is becoming circular: I answer with facts and reasonable opinions based on many experts’ observations and you answer with Trump projection and nonsensical “reverse” accusations of autocracy from... the party that is not in power.

It’s not a good use of either of our time, as we are obviously never going to find common ground here.

I do hope you one day see you were backing the racist, genocidal, fascist horse, though.
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The party that is in power is now not necessarily autocratic,or racist or genocidal or fascist. It has taken the side of those little little people in the womb which I dont hear you supporting . That support is not fascist or genocidal especially when 50 million have been slaughtered. If anything the Dems have always been the party that outwardly supported that heinous view although generally in the past some Republicans have just stood idly by and supported it by their silence . Not now however as he eats into that far left constituency. The facts are suited to your bias. We all have a bias. What's the best bias the be biased with ? That's the question we could all ask ourselves.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Ok, this is where I am going to disengage, mate.

The argument is becoming circular: I answer with facts and reasonable opinions based on many experts’ observations and you answer with Trump projection and nonsensical “reverse” accusations of conspiracy and autocracy from... the party that is not in power.

It’s not a good use of either of our time, as we are obviously never going to find common ground here.

I do hope you one day see you were backing the racist, genocidal, fascist horse, though.
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He won’t, ever, because hopeless cult members never do until they start to feel dizzy after the first three ounces of purple Kool-Aid.
 
paulsimpson said:
Muller couldnt find anything because a false Russian dirty dossier was produced by team Hillary to gain access to spy via false and therefore unjustified FISA court warrants on him. This case to bring those involved in this fraud on the FISA court is ongoing.
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Oh he found plenty but was working under the DoJ Memo assumption that charges could not be brought towards a sitting President. Trump is named as an un-indicted co-conspirator in the offence that sent Cohen to jail for using Trump’s money to pay off a porn star as one example.

paulsimpson said:
As for the ad hominem and libellous remark I'm asking you to withdraw it.
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1) It’s not ad hominem when it’s an accurate description of the facts.

2) Libel has to be against a person, not against an anonymous username. To claim libel, an individual must prove that the “libellous” statement was untrue and intended to do harm. So you’re shit out of luck when it’s clear for everyone to see that you’re lying your arse off on this thread. Especially when claiming to have actually read the Mueller Report. So suck it up buttercup.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
The issue IS THE MAN.
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No it is not . Argue the man and the argument is lost .
People have faults . Trump is guilty of shooting his mouth off . That said are you perfect in your use of the tongue?
But on the major issues of the day Trump is spot on the mark . Look at the Dems at the moment as they've gone too far :

Bills introduced to end a child’s life up until the minute they are born. Genocide .
Promise to pack the Supreme Court with far leftist judges who would vote to continue the slaughter up until birth and possibly even beyond. The last President supported partial birth abortion. Trump may be able put some stop to the incessant killing. It's a huge issue for many Americans and hes not afraid to talk about it .

Calls to dismantle police departments and let major cities burn to the ground
Promises to de-fund and abandon police force and turn cities and neighborhoods over to violent mobs.
No country or society can survive without some kind of police force. But the Dems may want it virtually abolished if they get their way. They are certainly capable of it. Then you have complete anarchy which would suit them fine as power is ultimate goal.

Blatant pledges to confiscate firearms from law-abiding citizens and not those criminal elements in cities such as Chicago. Selective.

Two tier justice system as courts favour Dem left . That's the way the legal culture is. That's autocracy.

Violent, anti-Semitic rhetoric out of the mouths of elected members of the House of Representatives radicalising and encouraging violence especially younger members of society. A O Cortez encouraged radicalism a couple of days ago.
 
paulsimpson said:
No it is not . Argue the man and the argument is lost .
People have faults . Trump is guilty of shooting his mouth off . That said are you perfect in your use of the tongue?
But on the major issues of the day Trump is spot on the mark . Look at the Dems at the moment as they've gone too far :

Bills introduced to end a child’s life up until the minute they are born. Genocide .
Promise to pack the Supreme Court with far leftist judges who would vote to continue the slaughter up until birth and possibly even beyond. The last President supported partial birth abortion. Trump may be able put some stop to the incessant killing. It's a huge issue for many Americans and hes not afraid to talk about it .

Calls to dismantle police departments and let major cities burn to the ground
Promises to de-fund and abandon police force and turn cities and neighborhoods over to violent mobs.
No country or society can survive without some kind of police force. But the Dems may want it virtually abolished if they get their way. They are certainly capable of it. Then you have complete anarchy which would suit them fine as power is ultimate goal.

Blatant pledges to confiscate firearms from law-abiding citizens and not those criminal elements in cities such as Chicago. Selective.

Two tier justice system as courts favour Dem left . That's the way the legal culture is. That's autocracy.

Violent, anti-Semitic rhetoric out of the mouths of elected members of the House of Representatives radicalising and encouraging violence especially younger members of society. A O Cortez encouraged radicalism a couple of days ago.
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For me, this post perfectly encapsulates why humanity is completely fucked.
 
Bazza_Talks said:
My message shouldn't depress you if you believe I'm seriously mistaken. It concerns me that you cannot conceive of a reality in which people can reasonably hold a different view to yours. This is a democracy. I simply do not agree with the problems that that you perceive to be at issue in America currently. I do not consider Trump's disrespect for others to be an issue that is problematic for society. It has a solution, politics. If the people do not like it, they will not return him to office.

As for anti-Trumpers and pro-Trumpers. I don't think these concepts lead to many solutions. I judge policy on its merit and the circumstances. I would not support something simply because Trump says it. I find it equally farcical that there could be a group that opposes something just because Trump says it, although the ludicrous impeachment is perhaps a worrying example of that.

You say that I haven't done my homework, but a cursory glance at the Twitter timeline shows a lot of messages that I would hope you would agree, are concerning.



He calls for action and then ... blames the action on ... Trump!



He's irresponsible to be accusing the police of violence when an investigation has not been completed to ascertain the facts around the case...


He's not alone in being dangerous. Here is a potential VP accusing the police of a murder ...


People can reasonably come to a viewpoint that they really don't like Biden and his team or his campaign. There's plenty there to demonstrate concern. For what I care about most, Joe Biden is not a man I would trust to lead the nation. He fans the flames for anger, violence and riots. Far from uniting people I think he's doing the opposite. The police are crucial to safety. He is putting them in harms way.
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Where did you cut and paste that from?
 
paulsimpson said:
I read the report through listened to the Fox News summary* and it is biased towards trying to get Trump on something but as you say only potential criminal behaviour. That's all you have. The framing via the dirty phoney dossier is currently being investigated by Durham. After the election a special counsel may be appointed to convict those of defrauding the FISA court since Durham doesnt have much time to complete his investigation before the election.
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*Edited for accuracy
 
paulsimpson said:
Again the ad hominem remark. Give something of substance . Argue the issue not the man. The dirty false dossier used to spy on him is allegedly evidence of a high crime by those in DNC at the time and other higher ups. The case is ongoing...
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The issue in this case is that you’re arguing from an imaginary position. Either you are doing it unknowingly in which case you occupy the peak of Mount Stupid on the Dunning Kruger graph or you know exactly what you’re doing in which case you are a malign troll making up lies. I have no interest in any further discussion with you either way.
 
paulsimpson said:
No it is not . Argue the man and the argument is lost .
People have faults . Trump is guilty of shooting his mouth off . That said are you perfect in your use of the tongue?
But on the major issues of the day Trump is spot on the mark . Look at the Dems at the moment as they've gone too far :

1) Bills introduced to end a child’s life up until the minute they are born. Genocide .
Promise to pack the Supreme Court with far leftist judges who would vote to continue the slaughter up until birth and possibly even beyond. The last President supported partial birth abortion. Trump may be able put some stop to the incessant killing. It's a huge issue for many Americans and hes not afraid to talk about it .

2) Calls to dismantle police departments and let major cities burn to the ground
Promises to de-fund and abandon police force and turn cities and neighborhoods over to violent mobs.

3) Blatant pledges to confiscate firearms from law-abiding citizens and not those criminal elements in cities such as Chicago. Selective.

4) Two tier justice system as courts favour Dem left . That's the way the legal culture is. That's autocracy.

5) Violent, anti-Semitic rhetoric out of the mouths of elected members of the House of Representatives radicalising and encouraging violence especially younger members of society. A O Cortez encouraged radicalism a couple of days ago.
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Fine list of Fox/OANN lies talking points you've listed here. Lets go through them shall we.

1) It sounds like this is a huge issue for YOU.

Using emotive words such as 'slaughter' and 'genocide' are in this case completely disingenuous. Absolutely nobody is suggesting babies are 'slaughtered', not even the most left of US politician.

Early term abortion should be a personal choice, and late term abortions should be on the grounds of medical necessity. I'm sure there are many politicians and failed reality TV stars wouldn't stand in the way of their mistresses having an abortion despite what they say in public.

Forcing rape victims, refugees and emotionally unstable women to have babies against their will is just plain wrong, as is forcing a woman to have a baby which could seriously harm the health of the woman and/or child.

2) NOBODY is calling for the police to be dismantled, or for major cities to be burned to the ground. The term 'De-fund the police' referrers to the reallocation of funding for things like mental health services, drug rehabilitation projects and child services, therefor taking pressure of the criminal justice system, allowing the police to do their actual job.

3) NOBODY is calling for legally owned firearms to be removed from 'law abiding' citizens. What politicians are suggesting is that ALL illegally owned firearms should be removed from circulation, and that gun regulations should be tightened to make life safer for EVERYONE.

Given the fact that it is referred to as the 2nd 'Amendment' it appears the interpretation has been distorted over the years to suggest pretty much anyone has the right to own an assault rifle. This is far removed from a 'well trained militia'. Politicians are suggesting laws should be amended to include certification, licencing and limits on quantity and type of weapon/ammunition (dependent on licence/training).

4) Two-tier Justice system in favour of the left, yet you've lauded the Republicans for stacking the courts in their favour. Make your mind up.

5) Anti-Semitic rhetoric? In private Trump refers to his son-in-law, Jared Kushner as the 'little Jew boy'. Again, the public persona doesn't quite stand up to scrutiny when you scratch beneath the surface.


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paulsimpson said:
No it is not . Argue the man and the argument is lost .
People have faults . Trump is guilty of shooting his mouth off . That said are you perfect in your use of the tongue?
But on the major issues of the day Trump is spot on the mark . Look at the Dems at the moment as they've gone too far :

Bills introduced to end a child’s life up until the minute they are born. Genocide .
Promise to pack the Supreme Court with far leftist judges who would vote to continue the slaughter up until birth and possibly even beyond. The last President supported partial birth abortion. Trump may be able put some stop to the incessant killing. It's a huge issue for many Americans and hes not afraid to talk about it .

Calls to dismantle police departments and let major cities burn to the ground
Promises to de-fund and abandon police force and turn cities and neighborhoods over to violent mobs.
No country or society can survive without some kind of police force. But the Dems may want it virtually abolished if they get their way. They are certainly capable of it. Then you have complete anarchy which would suit them fine as power is ultimate goal.

Blatant pledges to confiscate firearms from law-abiding citizens and not those criminal elements in cities such as Chicago. Selective.

Two tier justice system as courts favour Dem left . That's the way the legal culture is. That's autocracy.

Violent, anti-Semitic rhetoric out of the mouths of elected members of the House of Representatives radicalising and encouraging violence especially younger members of society. A O Cortez encouraged radicalism a couple of days ago.
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Why have you blocked who can see your posting history? Come on, own up, what you hidin'?
 
paulsimpson said:
The party that is in power is now not necessarily autocratic,or racist or genocidal or fascist. It has taken the side of those little little people in the womb which I dont hear you supporting . That support is not fascist or genocidal especially when 50 million have been slaughtered. If anything the Dems have always been the party that outwardly supported that heinous view although generally in the past some Republicans have just stood idly by and supported it by their silence . Not now however as he eats into that far left constituency. The facts are suited to your bias. We all have a bias. What's the best bias the be biased with ? That's the question we could all ask ourselves.
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fuck me sideways..
 
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