It's Quiet thread 14 - 'do one' edition

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bondsman said:
I’d go KDB Foden and Bernardo. We will get mullered in the air but at least we will be mobile and show desire. Sterling left and god knows who right as Mahrez doesn’t work hard and is gutless (I know he is technically gifted but so was Nasri, very similar player/attitude) God knows who up top as well given we don’t have a fit CF. It’s a joke we are in this situation really.
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Bit unfair on Nasri....he might have been a bit of a dick but he would put a foot in when needed and contributed a lot more with goals and assists when it mattered (when he wasn't being moody git).
 
bluecityste said:
Bit unfair on Nasri....he might have been a bit of a dick but he would put a foot in when needed and contributed a lot more with goals and assists when it mattered (when he wasn't being moody git).
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Oh I agree Nasri was a better player by far
 
bluecityste said:
Bit unfair on Nasri....he might have been a bit of a dick but he would put a foot in when needed and contributed a lot more with goals and assists when it mattered (when he wasn't being moody git).
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Nasri was a bit of a goof but his ball retention was exceptional.
 
There's so many factors to why we don't look as threatening as we once used to, but the most obvious reasons are losing David Silva (a player who could control the play' well and dictate tempo of the game) and Sané (we have become slower, much, much slower, no more threat in getting behind with pace).
 
bondsman said:
Stop playing Rodri.
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I'd agree to that, but because be keeps it neat and has a physical presence in both boxes Pep won't see an issue with it, same as he does not see an issue with Gündogan, both good at ball retention, but playing as pivots their job demands so much more than to spray it sideways, they need to press properly and be defensively aware. Fernandinho helped Pep out so much in that regard, but Rodri has yet to learn or know that, idk who that is down to, because the first thing I'd assume he knew demanded from him is aggression and sniffing out danger (one of two main requirements of a lone defensive midfielder) and he lacks both.
 
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catalyst said:
I'd agree to that, but because be keeps it neat and has a physical presence in both boxes Pep won't see an issue with it, same as he does not see an issue with Gündogan, both good at ball retention, but playing as pivots their job demands so much more than to spray it sideways, they need to press properly and be defensively aware. Fernandinho helped Pep out so much in that regard, but Rodri has yet to learn or know that, idk who that is down to, because the first thing I'd assume he knew is demanded from him is aggression and sniffing out danger (one of two main requirements of a lone defensive midfielder) and he lacks both.
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Pivots??!
 
catalyst said:
There's so many factors to why we don't look as threatening as we once used to, but the most obvious reasons are losing David Silva (a player who could control the play' well and dictate tempo of the game) and Sané (we have become slower, much, much slower, no more threat in getting behind with pace).
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Hopefully Foden will grow into the Silva role (if he ever gets the chance) and Bernardo can do the job to some degree if he regains his form.

To me the biggest reason we are less effective is that we play inverted wingers who are always coming inside and as a result our only width comes from FBs who aren't really suited to attacking positions. Too much responsibility for our creativity is thus falling on CBs, DM and FBs, instead of on our actual creative players.
 
We seem intent on replacing club legends with value for money. Short term you can cover the cracks, long term you get found out. We operate in the £50m - £60m market. Still a lot of money and it gets you very good players, the odd great player like KDB, but it doesn’t regularly get you top tier players. We need to decide what we want to be.
 
I can actually see Stones and Garcia both going, with Kounde coming in. Leaves us with Dias, Laporte, Ake and Kounde as our four. Wouldn't rule out a left back as well.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
Hopefully Foden will grow into the Silva role (if he ever gets the chance) and Bernardo can do the job to some degree if he regains his form.

To me the biggest reason we are less effective is that we play inverted wingers who are always coming inside and as a result our only width comes from FBs who aren't really suited to attacking positions. Too much responsibility for our creativity is thus falling on CBs, DM and FBs, instead of on our actual creative players.
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Totally agree, it's why I said earlier we could maybe do with a midfielder, because our creativity seems extremely limited. I do not quite understand Pep sometimes, we were told Foden is David Silva's replacement, yet because he's left footed and quite agile + has an eye for a goal, he's not featuring in midfield at all, rather just in attack as a false 9 or a winger. He would give our midfield a lot of energy, how is it that the common fans can see it but Pep can't, he seems so disjointed and rather frustrated already this season, which leaves me concerned. His body language has been extremely negative since start of season, along with the comments he made about not winning Prem. His job is tough, and he's taken a very tough loss this year because of his mother passing away, but something else also isn't just quite right.
 
City Raider said:
We seem intent on replacing club legends with value for money. Short term you can cover the cracks, long term you get found out. We operate in the £50m - £60m market. Still a lot of money and it gets you very good players, the odd great player like KDB, but it doesn’t regularly get you top tier players. We need to decide what we want to be.
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The club seemed to be embarrassed to spend big money, to go out and buy the very best, how different to the time under Mancini.

We bought the best players and from the top clubs, taking their best assets and weakening them at the same time.

Why the change?
 
Fordyboy46 said:
I can actually see Stones and Garcia both going, with Kounde coming in. Leaves us with Dias, Laporte, Ake and Kounde as our four. Wouldn't rule out a left back as well.
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I could see that and go 3 at the back, 3 CB all with some form of pace, something needs to change and quickly.
 
Fordyboy46 said:
I can actually see Stones and Garcia both going, with Kounde coming in. Leaves us with Dias, Laporte, Ake and Kounde as our four. Wouldn't rule out a left back as well.
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I think we’d need another homegrown player. I know Stones has injury troubles but I don’t think we can solve these defensive issues with a tonne of money, rather a change in system or playing more conservative and smart
 
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