COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Blue Llama]

You're not an expert on Viruses though are you you are a data analysis. It's never stopped you saying all the scientists are wrong.

Scientists have been getting things wrong for over 200 years. Not all of them I agree but every decade has its share of nutcase highly qualified scientists

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

Aye, because their analysis of the data is wrong and as an expert in medical data I'd like to think I've got a good grasp as to what I'm saying. And I have never said 'all' the scientists are wrong, I can point you in the direction of a great many scientists who I believe are getting it absolutely right.

You have flat out said they are wrong numerous times, you have done so from the very beginning. If you are an expert on data analysis then that means you are a expert on data analysis. You are not an expert on viruses in anyway shape or form and you telling the scientists they are wrong should be taken with the same amount of credibility as other science deniers. This thread like threads on most social media platforms has been took over by people like you and truebullshit69 pretending they are arsed about suicides and jobs, i see through you all. Noticed some of you are now starting to turn on Healdplace just for posting factual figures. It's what your type do. Truth is that most normal posters have long since left this thread and it's just become a place for deniers like you to shout everybody down and form an echo chamber. I know you will post some overly incredulous shite in response but like i said, i see through you.

 

[kaz7]

So bitchy :) you could get a part on the real housewives not that I watch it like”” honestly

Haha , i love the real housewives , the american ones are much better than the cheshire wannabes

I was telling him that he is a she

 

[kaz7]

I haven't said we are not in a second wave Karen, you must have got me confused with another poster. However, when I have posted links you have refused to read them in fact in one instance you said you didnt have time and you had moved on?

How many more times , i am not interested in brazil , esp right before a game , i am of the view that you cant compare countries as there is too many variables

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

Scientists have been getting things wrong for over 200 years. Not all of them I agree but every decade has its share of nutcase highly qualified scientists

science learns from mistakes and errors, surely you know that and obviously you believe scientists more than posters on a football forum or social media don't you?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Haha , i love the real housewives , the american ones are much better than the cheshire wannabes

I was telling him that he is a she

@Indaparkside is at home watching Australian Love Island!

 

[Indaparkside]

Nothing bitchy about objecting to being called the cat's mother. Your mum not bring you up right?

Haha , i love the real housewives , the american ones are much better than the cheshire wannabes

I was telling him that he is a she

I know :) wife watches that shit dawn ward thing with Wes browns wife etc f——— bobbins

 

[kaz7]

@Indaparkside is at home watching Australian Love Island!

I bet he is , so am i lol

 

[mosssideblue]

From now on I am just going to post raw data and no comments. I am starting to feel under a lot of stress and do not enjoy arguing. Will let you get on with it and read with interest.

Please dont do that, I and certainly many others appreciate your input and views

 

[mosssideblue]

Of course not, i didn't say that.
It's difficult with that though as i know plenty of people got those exemptions off the internet and there's fcuk all wrong with them, impossible to police i suppose, if someone wants to be a cnut, they'll be a cnut

But my point being why should someone take abuse for not wearing one, when there may be a valid reason. too many gungho wanting to mouth off at people

 

[Healdplace]

Chutchlawton blue I did explain what I meant by what I said and have tried not to push a positive or negative spin as I do not have any agenda - just my own personal reaction to the data.

I genuinely have no hidden meanings in what I say. As with the case numbers. Any reading of my posts will show I have been pro and anti different ideas and plans at different times as I react to what I see. And that I was well aware of why the number of positive cases are higher now than they were months ago because of the % of testing positive. It is easy to fid how many times I have stressed that number as important.

There is nothing I can do if you choose to read what I said as having forgotten sonething I certainly hadn't. But I am of course aware that some come here for a battle over strategies and theories.

That is fine and I read those posts with some inrerest too. But I have no desire to do that personally.

So I will tone down any personal opinions if it is seen as putting spin on figures that is something I would not wish to do. And I avoid forums because I do not like confrontations and argumenta. It is just not who I am.

I purposefully never went out of my way to clarifying the he/she thing (though some knew it via PMs as they asked).

But it impacts how people judge what you say and it is a totally natural thing to presume on a football forum (why I am here is a whole other question that some know as I told them and will clarify if anybody cares enough to ask in here).

I really do just want to post the data. And right now that seems the best plan as I do not want to trigger a war between factions on here. Though I dare say I will find it hard not to add trends and patterns in the reports but that is what they will be. Not me trying to score points.

So please all of you just carry on posting your own opinions. I listen and they help inform me too.

Nobody has upset me. I don't want anyone to quit. Disagreement is good. It is step one on the road to consensus.

 

[kaz7]

But my point being why should someone take abuse for not wearing one, when there may be a valid reason. too many gungho wanting to mouth off at people

I must admit there was a young mum and a late teenage daughter at the petrol station yesterday and they were crowding me , neither wore masks , i asked them to move away and buy a pack of masks , i got a gob full but not the words we are excempt etc , some people are just twats

 

[Cassandra]

THe scientist with her in the briefing just said he has told the government the key risk area that needs controlling is 'where households mix' - and mentioned the hospitality industry particularly.

So that might be a clue to tomorrow's decision.

I'm not sure whether the Scottish Government is any more effectively dealing with the outbreak or not, but the difference between the way that Sturgeon and Leach come across in how they come across compared with Johnson and Whitty is amazing. The Scottish pair just seem so natural and genuine.

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

Chutchlawton blue I did explain what I meant by what I said and have tried not to push a positive or negative spin as I do not have any agenda just as my own personal reaction to the data.

I genuinely have no hidden meanings in what I say. As with the case numbers. Any reading of my posts will show I have been pro and anti different ideas and plans at different times as I react to what I see. And that I was well aware of why the number of positive cases are higher now than they were months ago because of the % of testing positive. It is easy to fid how many times I have stressed that number as important.

There is nothing I can do if you choose to read what I said as having forgotten sonething I certainly hadn't. But I am of course aware that some come here for a battle over strategies and theories.

That is fine and I read those posts with some inrerest too. But I have no interest at all in doing that personally.

So I will tone down any personal opinions if it is seen as putting spin on figures that is something I would not wish to do. And I avoid forums because I do not like confrontations and argumenta. It is just not who I am.

I purposefully never went out of my way to clarifying the he/she thing (though some knew it via PMs as they asked).

But it impacts how people judge what you say and it is a totally natural thing to presume on a football forum (why am here is a whole other question that some know as I told them).

I really do just want to post the data. And right now that seems the best plan as I do not want to trigger a war between factions on here. Though I dare say I will find it hard not to add trends and patterns in the reports but that is what they will be. Not me trying to svore points.

So please all of you just carry on posting your own opinions. I listen and they help inform me too.

Please carry on exactly as you have been doing, you are doing a lot of us a great service. It was inevitable the deniers will turn on you eventually as you post stuff they don't want to hear. You have been neutral throughout this and there are many who thank you.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

None of those illnesses give you asthma, scar lungs, destroy other organs , one girl woke up to find she had a double lung transplant to save her life , people end up on dialysis for kidney damage , heart damage , it is not just post viral fatigue although having had that for a long time that is no picnic unless you call being too exhausted to get dressed etc ok

I feel like i am talking to myself , in an effort to down play covid people are coming out with all kinds of crap

Fucking depressing

How is talking about a more balanced approach to public health and not just having a single focus ‘all kinds of crap’? I was merely saying that there are other illnesses that are shit a long time later.

Let’s look at late effects from cancer treatment, assuming you’ve been lucky enough to get treated over the last six months.

Late effects are side effects that:

• begin during or shortly after treatment and do not go away within 6 months – they can become permanent and are sometimes called long-term effects
• do not affect you during treatment but begin months or even years after your treatment ends.

Lymphedema
Radiotherapy or surgery to lymph nodes may cause a swelling called lymphoedema. Lymphoedema usually affects an arm or a leg, but can also affect other parts of the body. If you notice any swelling, always ask your doctor or nurse to check it. The earlier lymphoedema is diagnosed, the easier it is to manage.

Effects on your heart
Certain cancer treatments may increase the risk of different types of heart problems in the future. Many people who have these drugs or treatments do not develop any heart problems. You can ask your doctor or nurse if there is a possible risk of this late effect with the treatment you have had.

Effects on the bones
Hormonal therapy drugs can increase the risk of bone thinning (osteoporosis) and fractures. Having pelvic radiotherapy may also increase the risk of getting small fractures in the pelvis.

Effects on the head and neck
Radiotherapy to the head and neck can cause late effects. For example, it can cause a dry mouth because you have less saliva or saliva may be stickier. Some people may lose their sense of taste. Using a sodium bicarbonate mouthwash may help clear thick saliva. Both surgery and radiotherapy can affect both eating and speech.

Effects on the bowel and bladder
Radiotherapy to the lower tummy area (pelvis) can cause late effects of the bowel and bladder. Some people may have changes of bowel habit such as diarrhoea or constipation. Effects on the bladder can mean you need to pass urine (pee) more often and some people may get some leakage.

Of course these late effects assume your cured and don’t mention immediate effects of treatment like no immune system, burns, impotence, hair loss, loss of appetite, nausea and vomiting, incontinence, bleeding, anaemia and many others.
If you’re not cured, you become one of the 460 daily cancer deaths, every day, of every year..

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Healdplace is a woman whose comes across as neutral to me. She points out increases / decreases in cases, admissions, ventilated patients, deaths consistently IMHO. A professional statistician might not always mention the changes if the increases / decreases aren’t very big but she isn’t one and neither am I. That said, there are no clear increases in trends and we are in a 2nd wave (that fingers crossed won’t reach anywhere near the scale of the first wave).

I didn't know healdplace was woman, thank you for pointing that out. I enjoy reading her very informative posts.

 

[Blue Llama]

science learns from mistakes and errors, surely you know that and obviously you believe scientists more than posters on a football forum or social media don't you?

Depends on the scientist. You only have to look back in history to see the bonkers ideas that groups and individual scientists have promoted over the decades. When science moves on we see the daft ideas from past well qualified scientists that were state of the art at the time.

 

[kaz7]

How is talking about a more balanced approach to public health and not just having a single focus ‘all kinds of crap’? I was merely saying that there are other illnesses that are shit a long time later.

Let’s look at late effects from cancer treatment, assuming you’ve been lucky enough to get treated over the last six months.

Late effects are side effects that:

• begin during or shortly after treatment and do not go away within 6 months – they can become permanent and are sometimes called long-term effects
• do not affect you during treatment but begin months or even years after your treatment ends.

Lymphedema
Radiotherapy or surgery to lymph nodes may cause a swelling called lymphoedema. Lymphoedema usually affects an arm or a leg, but can also affect other parts of the body. If you notice any swelling, always ask your doctor or nurse to check it. The earlier lymphoedema is diagnosed, the easier it is to manage.

Effects on your heart
Certain cancer treatments may increase the risk of different types of heart problems in the future. Many people who have these drugs or treatments do not develop any heart problems. You can ask your doctor or nurse if there is a possible risk of this late effect with the treatment you have had.

Effects on the bones
Hormonal therapy drugs can increase the risk of bone thinning (osteoporosis) and fractures. Having pelvic radiotherapy may also increase the risk of getting small fractures in the pelvis.

Effects on the head and neck
Radiotherapy to the head and neck can cause late effects. For example, it can cause a dry mouth because you have less saliva or saliva may be stickier. Some people may lose their sense of taste. Using a sodium bicarbonate mouthwash may help clear thick saliva. Both surgery and radiotherapy can affect both eating and speech.

Effects on the bowel and bladder
Radiotherapy to the lower tummy area (pelvis) can cause late effects of the bowel and bladder. Some people may have changes of bowel habit such as diarrhoea or constipation. Effects on the bladder can mean you need to pass urine (pee) more often and some people may get some leakage.

Of course these late effects assume your cured and don’t mention immediate effects of treatment like no immune system, burns, impotence, hair loss, loss of appetite, nausea and vomiting, incontinence, bleeding, anaemia and many others.
If you’re not cured, you become one of the 460 daily cancer deaths, every day, of every year..

That is exactly what i mean , cancer is not an infectious disease that nobody is immune to , it is a danger to 70 million people , that is why we locked down , it can spread very fast if we relax too soon

Nothing in a pandemic is fair , it is shite and people are going to be affected , nobody is denying that , it is a balance that only later on will we be able to take an objective view at all the data and the cost of the course we took

 

[Ric]

From now on I am just going to post raw data and no comments. I am starting to feel under a lot of stress and do not enjoy arguing. Will let you get on with it and read with interest.

Would be a real shame if you no longer felt like contributing.

I agree though that the petty arguments are getting a bit much in this thread, and are spoiling it for many of us.

As a word of warning for those responsible, people derailing the thread in this way will be thread banned moving forward.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

What would you say would be an acceptable/palatable number of daily deaths (and for how long a period) for us to operate the economy as normal. Or if you like what would be an acceptable total death count once this is over.

I have asked this a couple of times elsewhere to the ‘let’s open everything up’ brigade and never got a response.