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Tim of the Oak said:
Why don’t the people who believe in herd immunity volunteer to work in the ICU of their local hospital? I’m not talking skilled work, maybe cleaning.
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well what’s your thoughts lock everyone up and weld everyone in their bedrooms until a vaccine is found? Is that your strategy

most people recover from Covid , they don’t all end up on icus , some do, some people end up on icus for a variety of Other reasons as well

. Shit happens .

nobody died before Covid did they?

survival rates for most people Under 70 are pretty good aren’t they? What is it .99.9....%

the people on icus are predominately people I am suggesting should be protected. Under my strategy the impact on icus will be minimal
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Been busy today so don't know if this has already been discussed, apologies if so. But saw that the Swedish government are saying to expect restrictions to last at least another year from now over there.

Was sort of hoping we'd get some kind of normality by means of a vaccine or otherwise by spring. Depressing.
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That's not really unexpected if you factor in the time span of other pandemics. Hopefully we'll have suppressants if not a vaccine within that period.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
well what’s your thoughts lock everyone up and weld everyone in their bedrooms until a vaccine is found? Is that your strategy

most people recover from Covid , they don’t all end up on icus , some do, some people end up on icus for a variety of Other reasons as well

. Shit happens .

nobody died before Covid did they?

survival rates for most people Under 70 are pretty good aren’t they? What is it .99.9....%

the people on icus are predominately people I am suggesting should be protected. Under my strategy the impact on icus will be minimal
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The average age of people admitted to ITU is between 58 &59.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Although Stockholm has a population density of 13000 per square mile, which is more than Manchester.
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There are only 2 million people in Sweden who are over 65, that same group is x6 larger in the UK and the spreader group (18-40) is much larger.

In terms of obesity we are the 40th worst country, Sweden is 103rd. There are more people from BAME backgrounds... The list goes on.

You cannot compare any country by a single variable because obviously there are a countless number of them.

It's like comparing an apple with a brick.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Reinfection rate..... will dig out the 60% article, there has to be a reason why their reinfection rate is massively less than ours when compared to the overall population.

Sweden 4772 new infections over the last 14 days, the UK 116946.

Why is our current (over the last 14 days) infection rate 24 times that of Sweden when our population is only 6 times that of Sweden? The theory is the herd immunity principle - what else could it be?
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They're better at social distancing than we are.

There's scant evidence for herd immunity in Sweden, and precisely zero that it's more there than here.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
similar levels to the uk ? but without the devastation to business, enjoyment of life, liberties , mental health and simple basic things like visiting your parents

sorry missed out kids at school throughout. Pretty important that .
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Sweden's economic impact has been a bad as ours.

When we tried voluntary restrictions very briefly in March, everyone ignored them.

Sweden has a massively lower populating density than us, and far more single person households.

Sweden has killed more people than any other Scandinavian country, and nearly as many as we have per capita.

Inconvenient facts.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
That's not really unexpected if you factor in the time span of other pandemics. Hopefully we'll have suppressants if not a vaccine within that period.
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Probably not, but I really hoped by the summer of next year things would be pretty much back to normal. Football, concerts, holidays, bars, just being able to visit people and all the rest of it. Hearing comments like that probably shouldn't come as a shock but it was a bit of a sickener when I read it.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
well what’s your thoughts lock everyone up and weld everyone in their bedrooms until a vaccine is found? Is that your strategy

most people recover from Covid , they don’t all end up on icus , some do, some people end up on icus for a variety of Other reasons as well

. Shit happens .

nobody died before Covid did they?

survival rates for most people Under 70 are pretty good aren’t they? What is it .99.9....%

the people on icus are predominately people I am suggesting should be protected. Under my strategy the impact on icus will be minimal
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As suggested yesterday the rest of GM is coming together in a middle ground.

Everyone over 100 today. Nobody but Manchester over 200.

This is the new normal.

Scorecard

Wigan 182 - up from 127 back top of the pile sadly for the once best in GM for numbers. Pop score up 55 now 1330

Bolton 176 - up from 124 relatively bad day here too. Enough to put its pop score up 61 to 1952. Level with Manchester.

Quite possibly both will enter the 2000 club tomorrow to join Oldham (who made it yesterday). But unless things change Manchester is favourite to overtake Leicester as worst pop score in the whole UK soon. Leicester had just 43 cases today and at a pop score of 2119 has their outbreak under control and a number Manchester is capable of catching within the week.

Oldham 165 - Double yesterday's 85 and pop score up 70 to 2083. Could even catch Leicester first.

Salford 164 - up from 135. Pop score up 63 to 1525 for the best on this measure in GM before retrictions.

Stockport 149 - well up from 83 so a bad day here too. Pop score up 51 to 1159. And yet extended lead again to 108 now. If a score in the 1100's is much to be happy with.

Trafford 141 - - another big rise from 83 and putting Pop score up 59 to 1267. Well behond Stockport now.

Rochdale 128 - actually fell from 138. Only fall of the day. Pop score up 58 to enter 1800 club at 1854.

Bury 116 - up from 87. Pop score up 61 to 1689.

Tameside 111 - up from 96 but best in GM today and its big outbreak seems behind it Pop score up 49 - lowest rise in GM today - to 1592.
 
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roubaixtuesday said:
They're better at social distancing than we are.

There's scant evidence for herd immunity in Sweden, and precisely zero that it's more there than here.
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Agree they are better at Social distancing, check this out... I think it addresses your second point.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Expert claims Sweden now has 'herd immunity' from coronavirus

Scientists believe the lack of strict lockdown measures have helped Sweden avoid a second wave of Covid-19 as it continues to record its lowest number of cases since March.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
well what’s your thoughts lock everyone up and weld everyone in their bedrooms until a vaccine is found? Is that your strategy

most people recover from Covid , they don’t all end up on icus , some do, some people end up on icus for a variety of Other reasons as well

. Shit happens .

nobody died before Covid did they?

survival rates for most people Under 70 are pretty good aren’t they? What is it .99.9....%

the people on icus are predominately people I am suggesting should be protected. Under my strategy the impact on icus will be minimal
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You didnt answer his question, if you are not in work and not afraid volunteer at your local hospital ( not you personally but a general you )
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Sweden's economic impact has been a bad as ours.

When we tried voluntary restrictions very briefly in March, everyone ignored them.

Sweden has a massively lower populating density than us, and far more single person households.

Sweden has killed more people than any other Scandinavian country, and nearly as many as we have per capita.

Inconvenient facts.
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the economics fact is wrong

the deaths one is right .

its not just economics it’s the way of life. Doing normal things which they have pretty much done throughout .

whether they have got it right ( or wrong) we will see over this winter with their level of immunity v others And how deaths compare over the next few months.
 
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