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Agreed but the same argument could be made today, plus we are now more likely to test people who have been in contact with someone whose already had it.
As others have said, there is a lot of variables with today's testing regime which imo, make it impossible to draw any meaningful conclusions from.

Hospital intake and death rates are an actual barometer as to what is happening
 
Feels like March again doesn't it? The uncertainty is soul-destroying.

Keep your chin up. We are in a much better position this time round to cope. Hospitals built, better understanding of the virus, understanding of medications. We are not going into it blind. Stay as positive as possible and try and keep away from watching the news or trawling social media 24/7. We are all in this together, and after seeing the effect it had on yourself mentally my inbox is always open if you want to chat. That goes for anybody struggling
 
the 10 times example was used to prove a point. If the scenario I described was reported it would run with the headlines "number of cases have risen 10 times compared to March", instead of the sensible headline which would state that the number of cases have not risen compared to the number of tests run.

They have.

Since the start of August the test positivity rate is up about tenfold.

 
Nobody is comfortable with what is happening but things will only get better if we face facts, deal with them and help one another through to when this will all be over.
Couldn't agree more - the problem for me is the Government (aka Cummings) have a view about what to do and are skewing the evidence to support their plans and actions.

I would prefer to see genuine honest evidence that compares apples with apples and (current data with March) and hear the arguments rather than be dictated to.

The fact Professor Tam just said I received these graphs (and was told what to say) today emphasises what the government is trying to do here.

There should be NO press conferences like this without a minister present as THEY are the ones who make the decisions and who are accountable and who have to answer to the public!
 
Keep your chin up. We are in a much better position this time round to cope. Hospitals built, better understanding of the virus, understanding of medications. We are not going into it blind. Stay as positive as possible and try and keep away from watching the news or trawling social media 24/7. We are all in this together, and after seeing the effect it had on yourself mentally my inbox is always open if you want to chat. That goes for anybody struggling

Thanks mate. Just grinds you down eventually!
 
Can I suggest those who think the doctors today were just spinning a propaganda yarn go back and read my reports on the hospital data. You will find them in here every evening around 5 pm or so for weeks back now.

I do not work for the government or have any axe to grind. I have been in lockdown for months by choice and badly want this to be over. I am not interested in propaganda and denounce it when I see it (and it is out there unquestionably).

But the numbers I post on hospital patient increases, the numbers going on ventilators and how many of the deaths are in the NW each day are not fiction or deception. They are facts anyone can access.

I do and post them here day by day so you can decide for yourself.

But to do that you need to be able to face the numbers head on and not deny what they say because what they say is not comfortable.

Nobody is comfortable with what is happening but things will only get better if we face facts, deal with them and help one another through to when this will all be over.

Everyone wanting to be selfish just delays that day. They do not accelerate normality returning by whistling with fingers in ears or supposing some cabal in secret is trying to wreck our economy.

No government would be THAT stupid. Not even this one.

Not seen anyone deny hospital admissions. Genuine question is this happening on here? dont read every page.
 
There are enough people in the wild that believe that this virus is a hoax and they'll continue to do what they want to do until the government mans up and gives harsh punishments to them.

The same people who believe in flat earth and Nazis on the moon are a danger to us all IMO.
If only lockdowns worked, there’d be no problem. WHO advice on pandemics is clear that lockdowns should be avoided, at all costs.
They appear to have changed their minds when reporting on the great China success story in fighting the virus they actually sent out into the world. They sent medics to Italy telling them to lockdown at all costs and the rest of Europe quickly followed. USA currently at GDP same as the start of 2019, whilst Europe down about 8-9% U.K. about 10%. China meanwhile looks like it will have growth of about 10% this year. Funny that...

Then, lets look at Sweden. Not the ‘herd immunity‘ crap that is often mentioned, they were never doing that. That being said of course, every country in the world is pursuing herd immunity because thats all a vaccine is. What Sweden understood was that this was, in all likelihood, a very prolonged battle with this virus and that if you’re going to go down the draconian route, that is only sustainable for a short time. Simple messaging about social distancing, hygiene, ventilation and the like have never changed but they are still getting compliance because their government never declared victory, or gave a time when it might be over, or promised world class this that and the other, which is all seemingly beyond the whit of this government. Not only that but, they used the summer to sort their testing and tracing out and now recommend 5 days isolation post symptoms, as you’re highly unlike to be passing anything on after that time. Everyone in the house, save for the children, also must isolate but 5 days makes it a lot easier to comply.
This government have no nuance to their policies whatsoever , nothing changes save for ’everyone do whatever they want’ moving to ‘everybody stay at home, from midnight tonight’, which isn’t a policy at all. They’ve never levelled with anyone about anything, make up policy on the hoof and change laws overnight with no Parliamentary oversight and you now advocate ’harsh punishments’. Presumably prison for people trying to earn enough to keep a roof over their heads? Perhaps they should cut everybody's wages and everybody’s pensions by 1/3, so we really are all in it together?
 
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Thanks mate. Just grinds you down eventually!

That it does. Just don't let it beat you, fuck that. We had to put up with decades of those Red cunts winning everything and giving us abuse at every turn. If we can get through those fuckers and see the back of them, we can carry on, push through and see the back of another virus!
 
This latest set of presentations by the medical "exerts" is a clear case being presented by the Ministry of Lies.

Not once, not one time have they mentioned how the increase in numbers (yes numbers) of people having C19 to the number of tests being carried out.

If you are doing 10 times as many tests you expect the number of cases to increase accordingly - simple.

Seriously, this is becoming like the soviet union in the 70's where the population belived all the shit they were given... they really are trying to scare people.

Something has to be done about this!!
They are experts not ''experts''. They are about the most knowledgeable people in the country. Do you think there is more knowledge here?
They absolutely did mention the increased numbers of tests being carried out.It was one of the many points they made.
 
It isnt really March again as we know so much more now than we did then. And we have treatments that work. So things will happily not get worse than then - which is really comforting given that in March winter was over, the timing suited us with six months of Summer coming,

Facing six months of Winter from where we were in March would be disastrous, Happily we are not there now when we do face those winter months. We just cannot be complacent that this will not get worse now. It almost certainly will. Just not as bad as it was.
 
the 10 times example was used to prove a point. If the scenario I described was reported it would run with the headlines "number of cases have risen 10 times compared to March", instead of the sensible headline which would state that the number of cases have not risen compared to the number of tests run.
one other way to look at it ( takes a little work ) is % of tests that come back positive.

1st May we were at 7.4%
1st August we were ag 0.8% ( we were < 0 since 1st July )
5th Oct we were at 5.5%.
 
They are experts not ''experts''. They are about the most knowledgeable people in the country. Do you think there is more knowledge here?
They absolutely did mention the increased numbers of tests being carried out.It was one of the many points they made.
I don't doubt they are "experts". I am more concerned that their lines are being written by the likes of Cummings and Johnson.

Theu may have mentioned the increased number of tests once... they then went on to totally focus on numbers which is fundamentally wrong... IMO!
 
It isnt really March again as we know so much more now than we did then. And we have treatments that work. So things will happily not get worse than then - which is really comforting given that in March winter was over, the timing suited us with six months of Summer coming,

Facing six months of Winter from where we were in March would be disastrous, Happily we are not there now when we do face those winter months. We just cannot be complacent that this will not get worse then now. It almost certainly will. Just not as bad as it was.

Better not have 6 months of winter I like autumn and Spring!
 
Not seen anyone deny hospital admissions. Genuine question is this happening on here? dont read every page.
Don't think so, but think some are missing or ignoring those increases and concentrating on deaths to cases ratio being relatively small.
 
Couldn't agree more - the problem for me is the Government (aka Cummings) have a view about what to do and are skewing the evidence to support their plans and actions.

I would prefer to see genuine honest evidence that compares apples with apples and (current data with March) and hear the arguments rather than be dictated to.

The fact Professor Tam just said I received these graphs (and was told what to say) today emphasises what the government is trying to do here.

There should be NO press conferences like this without a minister present as THEY are the ones who make the decisions and who are accountable and who have to answer to the public!

couldn’t disagree more

The Scottish and Welsh govs hate Boris and Cummings etc, but they are taking identical action at the same time

it’s clearly being dictated by scientific advice
 
I don't doubt they are "experts". I am more concerned that their lines are being written by the likes of Cummings and Johnson.

Theu may have mentioned the increased number of tests once... they then went on to totally focus on numbers which is fundamentally wrong... IMO!
Van Tam quite clearly does not do what he is told ,he specifically criticised Cummings actions in a previous press conference . He says it how he see it , not how somone else does.
 
That it does. Just don't let it beat you, fuck that. We had to put up with decades of those Red cunts winning everything and giving us abuse at every turn. If we can get through those fuckers and see the back of them, we can carry on, push through and see the back of another virus!

Ha. Appreciate the sentiment, but football really is trivial compared to not being able to hug your mum, dad, any family or close friends etc for over half a year now!
 
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