COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[inchy14]

Yeah, having slept on it we’ve decided not to go. Kids are gutted, but we felt it was the right/responsible thing to do. Hopefully we’ll get to rearrange it for next year.

What was the place? Might be a cheap deal going now.....

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Yeah, having slept on it we’ve decided not to go. Kids are gutted, but we felt it was the right/responsible thing to do. Hopefully we’ll get to rearrange it for next year.

Sorry to hear that bud, think you were maybe right to err on the side of caution.

You will always have selfish sections of society, pandemic or otherwise, but you can only do what it is right for you and your family.

I've been at the stage for a while where I am not really listening to any government advice, I am using basic common sense and making myself accountable for doing right by my own loved ones and those in my immediate community.

 

[kaz7]

Gyms in Liverpool to reopen

And South Yorkshire in Tier 3

A u turn on gyms, this fiddling here and there and nobody knowing what to do is not going to work, the circuit breaker is needed but it has become a political football, they either want to get it under control going into winter or they dont ,they wont with fiddling about , the kids on holiday is the ideal time to reset

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Yeah, having slept on it we’ve decided not to go. Kids are gutted, but we felt it was the right/responsible thing to do. Hopefully we’ll get to rearrange it for next year.

It's the kids who are having to process and go through so much, goodness knows what we have stored up for the future.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It's the kids who are having to process and go through so much, goodness knows what we have stored up for the future.

Honest answer? Nothing.

Kids are very resiliant and in the great scheme of things this 18 month "blip" - for that is what it is - is absolutely inconsequential. My Mum was 7 when WW2 broke out and she - and the countless millions like her - hardly came out of it "damaged". We need to keep the current inconveniences in perspective. Missing a term or two of schoolwork, missing your mates a bit. Really, in the scheme of things, so what.

 

[Nellies left peg]

What was the place? Might be a cheap deal going now.....

Wondered why you posted Ric's picture on the Devon and Cornwall police website :-)

 

[mancity1]

Yeah, having slept on it we’ve decided not to go. Kids are gutted, but we felt it was the right/responsible thing to do. Hopefully we’ll get to rearrange it for next year.

We in the State of Victoria pop 6.6m have been in lockdown bar a short period of time in June and July since April under a state of emergency and then a state of disaster.

The only trips outside allowed up until last Sunday was for food for medical reasons 1 hour walk and for workers chosen by the government as necessary to keep food distribution and transport of essential items operating.

We had a 5km limit of travel and police would fine you 5k and if necessary arrest you in your own home if you were found to break the rules.

All retail , hospitality closed still with a 14 day moving average of 6.4 cases in Melbourne now down from 500 some 3 months ago.

Because the Government ( a left wing socialist one ) through incompetence , lack of respect for individuality and individual freedoms the virus resulted in the deaths of 800 people to date with and or from the virus ( 680 in nursing homes prematurely dead by an average of 3.5 years ) with around 25,000 recorded active cases to date.

They failed to protect the elderly and vulnerable and had no effective contact tracing program in place yet despite this and a lack of trust in the individual and health personnel and ludicrous border closures that have no rationale to them at all we have lost over 300,000 jobs many of them that will never return even if an effective vaccine eventuated and over 70,000 small to medium sized businesses trashed a large proportion of which are gone for good.

Many never on social welfare will be on welfare for many years to come.

Compare that to Taiwan and you can see why Melbournian's on mass want democracy , rule of law , separation of powers and as we once knew it to return and that will only start if the Governor sacks the State Government which under our constitution they have the power to do.

if you live in England don't bother coming to Melbourne for business or a holiday or visit relatives or friends for the next 2 years assuming you can enter because you will need to quarantine for 14 days minimum and then walk through a ghost town.

How so much power can be invested in one pathetic excuse of a health official defies belief but its happened and Stockholm syndrome is yet to vanish amongst the majority of the population still.

Welcome to the new world of China Syndrome.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Or as I said just can't.

Generalising there. LOTS can! But dont. See it everyday

 

[Ric]

It's the kids who are having to process and go through so much, goodness knows what we have stored up for the future.

Yeah, it's scary what effect this could have on a whole generation of kids.

My ten year old daughter, who was/is the most fun loving, happy go lucky little girl you could ever meet, has suddenly started suffering really severe panic attacks over the last few months. Horrible to see as a parent, but almost certainly a result of the pandemic. To make things worse, we've not really been able to get much support or help for her as yet.

 

[artfuldodger]

We in the State of Victoria pop 6.6m have been in lockdown bar a short period of time in June and July since April under a state of emergency and then a state of disaster.

The only trips outside allowed up until last Sunday was for food for medical reasons 1 hour walk and for workers chosen by the government as necessary to keep food distribution and transport of essential items operating.

We had a 5km limit of travel and police would fine you 5k and if necessary arrest you in your own home if you were found to break the rules.

All retail , hospitality closed still with a 14 day moving average of 6.4 cases in Melbourne now down from 500 some 3 months ago.

Because the Government ( a left wing socialist one ) through incompetence , lack of respect for individuality and individual freedoms the virus resulted in the deaths of 800 people to date with and or from the virus ( 680 in nursing homes prematurely dead by an average of 3.5 years ) with around 25,000 recorded active cases to date.

They failed to protect the elderly and vulnerable and had no effective contact tracing program in place yet despite this and a lack of trust in the individual and health personnel and ludicrous border closures that have no rationale to them at all we have lost over 300,000 jobs many of them that will never return even if an effective vaccine eventuated and over 70,000 small to medium sized businesses trashed a large proportion of which are gone for good.

Many never on social welfare will be on welfare for many years to come.

Compare that to Taiwan and you can see why Melbournian's on mass want democracy , rule of law , separation of powers and as we once knew it to return and that will only start if the Governor sacks the State Government which under our constitution they have the power to do.

if you live in England don't bother coming to Melbourne for business or a holiday or visit relatives or friends for the next 2 years assuming you can enter because you will need to quarantine for 14 days minimum and then walk through a ghost town.

How so much power can be invested in one pathetic excuse of a health official defies belief but its happened and Stockholm syndrome is yet to vanish amongst the majority of the population still.

Welcome to the new world of China Syndrome.

I’ve struggled to believe what ive been reading about the restrictions in Melbourne. I surprised there’s not been riots! It’s gone on for ever.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Honest answer? Nothing.

Kids are very resiliant and in the great scheme of things this 18 month "blip" - for that is what it is - is absolutely inconsequential. My Mum was 7 when WW2 broke out and she - and the countless millions like her - hardly came out of it "damaged". We need to keep the current inconveniences in perspective. Missing a term or two of schoolwork, missing your mates a bit. Really, in the scheme of things, so what.

My kids has six months off school and parents who gave a shit, coupled with the resources to sort them laptops and they have thrived.

However, we have to be concerned about those kids who are already served a shit sandwich and have now fallen even further behind?

The lack of opportunities to those people, even with teachers who attempt to intervene and inspire as many kids as they can, are in the shitter.

Classrooms will suffer because of a gap in learning, examinations will suffer, as will a host of mental health issues which could spiral towards depression, crime and poverty.

 

[Nellies left peg]

My kids has six months off school and parents who gave a shit, coupled with the resources to sort them laptops and they have thrived.

However, we have to be concerned about those kids who are already served a shit sandwich and have now fallen even further behind?

The lack of opportunities to those people, even with teachers who attempt to intervene and inspire as many kids as they can, are in the shitter.

Classrooms will suffer because of a gap in learning, examinations will suffer, as will a host of mental health issues which could spiral towards depression, crime and poverty.

I think you have nailed when you say "parents who give a shit". Unfortunately the kids who have lazy parents will suffer the worst through no fault of their own but even without a pandemic of this would still be in the same situation

 

[artfuldodger]

It's the kids who are having to process and go through so much, goodness knows what we have stored up for the future.

I work in Early Years and childcare. We are seeing, as parents who had babies in March are returning to work and their babies start childcare, what’s become known as ‘Covid babies’. They are terrified of strangers, find it difficult to settle, extreme attachment issues. They lacked the usual interaction and stimulation of new faces and places in their first few months. Hopefully it will be temporary, but who knows.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

My kids has six months off school and parents who gave a shit, coupled with the resources to sort them laptops and they have thrived.

However, we have to be concerned about those kids who are already served a shit sandwich and have now fallen even further behind?

The lack of opportunities to those people, even with teachers who attempt to intervene and inspire as many kids as they can, are in the shitter.

Classrooms will suffer because of a gap in learning, examinations will suffer, as will a host of mental health issues which could spiral towards depression, crime and poverty.

the other challenge is massive and it’s a huge one for social mobility

if you are a kid from a poor benefits led background how do you get work experience in an office environment if everyone is working from home.
the ability of able working class kids with non working parents to progress into the work office environment is going to get harder and harder for them.

a lot of these kids have no idea what an office environment is like and I worry how that is going to be bridged as more and more people work from home.

 

[Nellies left peg]

the other challenge is massive and it’s a huge one for social mobility

if you are a kid from a poor benefits led background how do you get work experience in an office environment if everyone is working from home.
the ability of able working class kids with non working parents to progress into the work office environment is going to get harder and harder for them.

a lot of these kids have no idea what an office environment is like and I worry how that is going to be bridged as more and more people work from home.

Why should they necessarily need to work in an office environment. They could get a trade, work for themselves and having a skill will always be in demand. The trouble is nowadays no fucker wants to get their hands dirty and they want an easy life. If everyone worked from home nothing would ever get done

 

[blueparrot]

Generalising there. LOTS can! But dont. See it everyday

So, what's your point, are you going to force them, I see it too in my coffee shop, especially elderly people. I'm not sure what you suggest doing about it, one more reason why saying protect the vulnerable, or the vunlnerable protect themselves as a policy can't work.Sometimes we have to go out of our way to protect vulnerable people for them.

 

[mancity1]

I’ve struggled to believe what ive been reading about the restrictions in Melbourne. I surprised there’s not been riots! It’s gone on for ever.

Just a lot of editorials on the conservative side of politics for the Premier of the State to resign , some minor attacks on the premiers office building and many doctors , mental health experts , priests , small business operatives , large corporate CEO's and the list goes on requesting he open up the city again but little more.

A few minor peaceful protests but in general as I said Stockholm Syndrome has run rampant in Melbourne and to a lesser extent in the States that have closed their borders but kept business to a lesser degree open after a short full scale lockdown.

Tourism has been decimated and without government hand outs the true unemployment rate currently sits at 14 per cent Australia wide and 20 per cent in Victoria reminiscent of the Great Depression.

make no mistake Victoria is in a depression after only 7 months of this absurd response to a break out of infections in hotel quarantine whereby 32 private security guards got infected and spread it throughout Melbourne and beyond.

Government support for those impacted has been poor and self funded retirees offered no support at all with many of their incomes including mine income slashed by 50 per cent virtually overnight.

Unfortunately with the delays on elective surgeries , postponed cancer screens , fear instilled in the community that this pandemic is the black plague in disguise or the Spanish flu of the 21st Century , impact on the youth and those who run businesses and their families , the impact on those who live alone ( over 500 suicides above the same period last year in the past 3 months ) the high increase in use of social media , lack of equipment to handle infant cardiology surgery not available in some states and I could go on the number of premature deaths and the age mix of those deaths has way exceeded the deaths from and with covid.

All we had to do was protect the elderly and vulnerable we have so many advantages given population density and supposed first class health facilities and expertise to deal with this with minimum interruption like Taiwan for example that Great Britain does not have.

i would suggest at least in Victoria and I can say the same for other states our response has been about as draconian and poor as it gets despite the number of deaths to date in a population of 25 million.

We have a socialist in charge ( also a sociopath as many of us knew for a long time ) and its a lethal combination to economic destruction.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths - mixed message. Worse numbers yet for a Wednesday. But week to week not a huge rise. Some recent barriers breached though. Including first day to reach 100 deaths on the day inside 5 days.

Total 94 with 37 of them from the NW. Versus last week 68 with 25 from NW.

 

[Healdplace]

Wales news also not good again. Though the rise in case numbers is not steep again week to week to week and this trend is becoming apparent round the UK and may well be the early signs of reaching a peak.

Deaths will always be the last number to decrease sadly.

14 deaths v 16 last week and 3 week before

962 cases v 946 last week and 752 week before.

 

[inchy14]

As Manchester goes into tier 3 on Friday morning can anyone confirm whether the barbers are still allowed to open? Looked on bbc and can’t make head nor tails of it, saw earlier that gyms make have to close but no idea if that’s correct as I assumed they didn’t have to.
Information is pretty poor as usual by these fucking clowns.